tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post110477515120866528..comments2024-03-28T02:15:29.817-05:00Comments on Mouse Words: Or it could be that not everyone wants to get marriedAmanda Marcottehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1136603561539229172006-01-06T21:12:00.000-06:002006-01-06T21:12:00.000-06:00Shop at your favorite stores 24 hours a day. Why g...Shop at your favorite stores 24 hours a day. Why go to the mall when you can shop online and avoid the trafficAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104888036171105302005-01-04T19:20:00.000-06:002005-01-04T19:20:00.000-06:00Oh and of course, the problem is in measuring "int...Oh and of course, the problem is in measuring "intelligence". Test scores strike me as uniquely unreliable--I test well, but that doesn't make me smarter than people around me who don't.Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104887945869104802005-01-04T19:19:00.000-06:002005-01-04T19:19:00.000-06:00Close! We are in complete agreement that the thre...Close! We are in complete agreement that the three factors work together in complex ways and definitive things cannot be said. <br /><br />But no, I think that independence of spirit affects adult IQ more than anything. Which is to say, I think that intelligence as an adult is a combination of training, spirit, and natural talent. Lots of talented people I know buckled at a young age. And lots of independent people I know who showed average talent as youngsters grew up to be the most intelligent people I know because their tenacity kept them from getting ground down by social expectations. <br /><br />I guess I'm saying that willingness to buck authority is correlated to aggregate measures of intelligence when you are older. For instance, I would say that native intelligence is scattered pretty evenly across races and social classes, but smart kids in bad circumstances won't blossom unless they also are tenacious. A lot of my childhood friends were as smart as I was, if not smarter, but they buckled early and now they think I'm a brainiac. Mostly I just holed up and read alot when everyone else was going through the teenage transistion from being a reader to being "dateable".Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104878995181814932005-01-04T16:49:00.000-06:002005-01-04T16:49:00.000-06:00I agree with you 100% that there isn't a correlati...I agree with you 100% that there isn't a correlation between intelligence and economic independence--most people, regardless of IQ, aim for economic independence, I think. And some have to settle for less due to circumstances. I meant more of an independent spirit correlates with intelligence, and yeah, it's a chicken or egg question.<br /><br />By no means are independent-spirited women more likely to make money--I just think they are more likely to be wary of marriage, particularly those who grew up rebelling against that expectation. In fact, the women I know who were told frequently as girls that they don't have to marry if they don't want to tend to be less wary of it as an institution than someone like me, who saw it as a trap more than anything growing up.Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104863730542601662005-01-04T12:35:00.000-06:002005-01-04T12:35:00.000-06:00No, Yami, because I don't think of being "intellig...No, Yami, because I don't think of being "intelligent" as just an inborn thing. I think intelligence tends to follow being independent and unwilling to make yourself dumb for approval. <br /><br />Class factors into willingness to marry. That I would definitely agree. Higher class people are more likely to be highly educated, as well.Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104805485208971442005-01-03T20:24:00.000-06:002005-01-03T20:24:00.000-06:00Brad, it's not a simple-minded thing. I reject th...Brad, it's not a simple-minded thing. I reject the entire debate of whether or not a woman's intelligence is directly or inversely proportional to her sexual attractiveness. Both intelligence and sexual attractiveness are complicated things that you can't measure well.<br /><br />But I do know this much--women who cultivate their intellect do so in an enviroment where they are mocked and openly discouraged by many people. Because of this, there is a tendency to be defensive of things like freedom and space, which leads one to be pickier than average about who you let in on a permanent basis.<br /><br />Upon reading this, I thought immediately of the histories of a few friends, all relatively bright and independent women who have men in our histories who still would snatch them up in a minute if they wanted to marry, but in every case, these women just wanted more--they felt that they couldn't be fill the wife role in marriages to these men without losing parts of themselves they cherished.Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104803660881512632005-01-03T19:54:00.000-06:002005-01-03T19:54:00.000-06:00No Brad. Smart women get married all the time, and...No Brad. Smart women get married all the time, and they're NOT stupid for marrying. But them choosing to marry is NOT the reason why they are smart. They are smart because of their education. Not because of the ring on their finger. <br /><br />And there are not-so-smart women who remain single, but the reason why they're not-so-smart has nothing to do with their choice to remain single. However, I argue that a woman who believes that she is ONLY smart so long as she gets married, is ignorant. She foolishly believes society's bullshit expectation that all women should become wives, and any woman who doesn't marry is stupid, and/or has too much education which is threatening to some insecure males. <br /><br />It could be that men aren't asking women to marry them as much as in the past, men aren't accepting women's proposal for marriage, or men are avoiding marriage along with some women.<br /><br />Marriage does not grant you the IQ of a Nobel Prize winning genius, and neither does remaining single. Caving into social/gender stereotypes and what society expects of you is a sign of weakness and ignorance. To hell with what society thinks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104779032842924752005-01-03T13:03:00.000-06:002005-01-03T13:03:00.000-06:00Yeah. Some women have a poor selection of men and ...Yeah. Some women have a poor selection of men and that wouldn't build up any kind of enthusiam. If you don't have any kind of interest in them then why bother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104778796975173112005-01-03T12:59:00.000-06:002005-01-03T12:59:00.000-06:00True, neo, but I am talking about a lot of women I...True, neo, but I am talking about a lot of women I know who aren't against the idea of marriage in theory, but in practice they can't work up the enthusiasm.Amanda Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6669068.post-1104778187550271662005-01-03T12:49:00.000-06:002005-01-03T12:49:00.000-06:00Or simply, NOT ALL WOMEN WANT TO GET MARRIED!!!! S...Or simply, NOT ALL WOMEN WANT TO GET MARRIED!!!! Some of us don't buy into the traditional, 'Blushing Bride' crap. Some of us don't care about society's expectations of women. Some of us *like* the career-oriented life. And yeah, there are some UN-interesting men out there. But I've met plenty of uninteresting women; they're the "I want to get married right after college, have lots of babies, watch Oprah all day, drive a minivan, be on the PTA, have NO hobbies except bake, cook, and clean, I want to make my Prince-Charming happy no matter what my emotions are, and I want be the best little homemaker ever" type of women that I've already met my first year of college. And maybe, some men too, just don't want to marry either, no matter what kind of women are out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com