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Flea wrote Scott Adams a letter asking him to explain a recent comic to her to see if he is sexist or criticizing sexists. Sometimes things are pretty much what they seem, a lesson that I keep learning as much as I'd like to resist it. This is Adams' reply:

I'd have to say that none of you are too close. It's just a fact that women get a seratonin rush from shopping.

Effing wonderful. Of course, it caused that rush of Feminist Guilt in me, because I do get a kick out of shopping, but then I remembered that almost all my girl friends hate shopping and think I'm a relic. Then I went and shoved a guitar catalog under my boyfriend's nose and saw his eyes light up, a sure sign of seratonin rushing and remembered that ah yes, seratonin is not a hormone emitted from the ovaries at the sight of new shoes, but is in fact a hormone both men and women have that makes them happy. And getting something new that you like is something that pleases us both.

I have to wonder if Adams is thinking of any specific study. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a study where they measured women's seratonin levels after they spent an hour in shoe heaven and claimed that was all the proof they needed that women are natural shoppers. One way or another, I am really surprised at how hard you have to avoid thinking to see why Adams' little joke here doesn't make any sense. Martians like to have a new piece of clothing that they think will make them look sexier, even if they are more reluctant to admit it than Venusians are.

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Humans are biosocial creatures. Stimulus triggers response, this much is easily demonstrated, and the complex chemistry that dictates mood is at least partially dictated by environmental factors, including our conceptions of gender. However, only a complete jackass would suggest that things like an affinity for shopping are hardwired into female anatomy. Scott Adams is clearly a jackass. You're absolutely right about this one, and I'd bet a favorite limb that any soft science he can offer to support his asinine claim is contradicted by the hard science of biochemistry. Keep up the good fight.

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Blogger mythago said...

Adams does a lot of "I read it in a newspaper article and it sounded good" pseudo-science. It's not limited to notions about men and women.

I think that the existence of hobby stores, boat shows, Frys Electronics and Best Buy, not to mention the behavior of men in online games ("I need to get more gold to buy the Lambent Armor!") puts paid to the idea that only chickies love to shop.

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Blogger Diane said...

The popular belief is that shopping is for women what pornography is for men--that is, they both relieve stress and create excitement. Generally speaking, women in our culture may have more of a proclivity to shop because women are generally more detail-oriented than men, and may find pleasure in what many men consider a dreaded task. However, I, too, know several women who consider shopping a dreaded task.

I am tempted to correct Scott's grammar, but that wouuld be off the subject.

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Blogger La Lubu said...

I was about to come on here and say "I LOATHE shopping", but then again, get me in a bookstore, or CD store, and you won't see me for hours, lol! Don't get me wrong, I like new clothes too...I just find shopping for them to be an immense time-suck, so I do most of my shopping online or by catalog. Less time wasted. 'Thrill of the hunt' my culiddu, I want results.

So, it's not really "do women enjoy shopping, and do men hate it", but "what is 'shopping'?" Like with the guitar catalogs! I've sat around break tables full of men, moaning about how shopping is a drag, and they can't believe how much time their wives spend doing it---all the while with open catalogs of hunting/fishing/motorcycle/custom car or truck parts/guitars/stereos/etc. in front of them, salivating over all the stuff they want to buy. And they'll admit it too---they just won't call it "shopping". In their lexicon, "shopping" only refers to clothes, shoes, or household items. Even grocery shopping is its own special category; "oh, that's different."

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Blogger PZ Myers said...

Adams is waaaay out there. He's full of very flaky ideas -- check out his anecdotes on the power of "positive affirmations" sometime. It's very disconcerting, since he combines credulity with an arrogant assumption of certainty.

And, by the way, "serotonin" is probably the #1 most misspelled word in neuroscience. I think we ought to give up on it and always call it 5- hydroxytryptamine.

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Blogger Anne said...

Pfft, if anyone thinks men don't also enjoy shopping, they should have seen my boyfriend at Fry's last week.

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Blogger Fritz said...

Is it surprising that Adams is sexist? Cartoonists are social misfits who have a hard time relating to women. Otherwise they wouldn't be cartoonists (how's that for a generalization?).

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Blogger Sapphire7 said...

As I posted on flea's blog, I think he was being sarcastic just because someone was taking his cartoon seriously. Everything about his strip is sarcastic or tongue in cheek.
Let's not blow this out of proportion like some wingnut who can't take a little blasphemy from time to time.

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Blogger Amanda said...

Thus the light but dry humor I wrote the post with. If Adams is actually trying to suggest that his jokes are meaningless, good for him. Frankly, I find weightless humor not to be funny.

Except videos of cats falling off stuff. That's always funny. Oh, and fart jokes.

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Blogger La Lubu said...

Fart jokes are always funny. Real farts, not so funny.....like the one somebody let at the gym today; I about fell off the damn treadmill!! It was a real powerful SBD too---you could've asphyxiated yourself in that whole section of the building for about five minutes, gaahh!

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Blogger Sapphire7 said...

I stand behind my previous comment, but I just saw the cartoon and it pissed me off. I had not clicked on the link before. So now I'M the fundie who can't take a little blasphemy from time to time!

I guess he could pass it off as a bad day without a good punchline about consumerism. Remember after 9/11, instead of pitching in together for a common good we were all supposed to run out and go shopping - for an SUV no less? They even created a post-9/11 tax break for SUVs. Instead of having a good punchline, he went for the typical male response of calling another man feminine. That's actually typical Wally - he already completely gave up trying to do his job and is making fun of Ashook for caring so much.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! Today's strip is even more bizarre. It seems to head towards a criticism of sexism, then ends up as a gay stereotype. I'm starting to think Scott Adams is doing this deliberately.

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Anonymous Rotchid said...

The reason people like Scott Adams take the piss out of feminists is because their the kind of people who go OTT whenever anyone makes a small joke.
This kind of kneejerk reaction is only seen in religious nutcases and sports fans.
Get a sense of humour.

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Anonymous Reverend Flash said...

Hi. I just want to attempt to explain Scott Adams' Dilbert humor for the in-duh-viduals at this site that don't get it. First of all, the cartoon mentioned to be sexist was actually a comment AGAINST sexism. Employee II likened Employee I to a woman because he was A)not given full credit for his work, and B)brought out of his doldrums by shopping. Adams is illustrating the unfairness of the first reason as something that women probably experience more than men, and he is cushioning it with the second stereotype that women love to shop. Even if women love shopping no more than men, it is only an amusing nod to a harmless belief intended to make people - male and female - laugh. (I doubt very much that light-heartedly thinking of women as shoppers is going to do much to set the feminist movement back.) In the second strip mentioned here, portaying the gay man dating a rugby team only serves to nullify the boss's assumption that - gay or not - the man was going to have a family to support. That he was the farthest thing from a family man shows that, try as you may, you can't always succeed in 'rationalizing' discrimination against women. (And that this PARTICULAR gay man was promiscuous does not promote the belief that all gay men are sluts any more than the boss's belief that the man was going to have a partner and raise kids promotes the belief that all gay men are family-oriented.)

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