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Via Feministing, we find out that Bell is under no illusions about what the "family values" crowd thinks makes something obscene--the female form in and of itself. This ad is clearly meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek, but even so the joke doesn't make sense unless the intended audience is comfortable with the misogynist notion that the female body is something children must be "protected" from seeing and also with the notion that keeping people ignorant is an acceptable way to keep them "moral".

John Ashcroft became a national joke when he insisted on draping a statue because it had an exposed breast, but apparently Bell thinks that mainstream America is warm to the idea of spreading shame about the female body. Any day now I expect to hear about some Christian organization getting together to close down art museums that display works that have female nudity, arguing that children can be corrupted with lust by seeing a painting of Mary nursing Baby Jesus.

And since when did such flagrant anti-intellectualism become so mainstream? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that in a nation that thinks as long as you don't tell kids what a condom is, they won't figure out the mechanics of sex and instead of fooling around in high school, they'll spend their time running church bake sales would be open to good-natured ribbing about how they'd rather have their kids be stupid than ever see even a crude drawing of a breast or genitals. Well, we can't do a whole lot about people who think that if you just pretend we're smooth down there like Barbie dolls, then that makes it so. But we can let Bell know what we think of their willingness to pander to the fragment of America that thinks Shame and Ignorance are family values. Contact them at executive.office@bell.ca.

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Blogger heydt said...

Aparently, not only are the ovaries considered too risque to show our children, apparently the stomach (or perhaps it's the bladder? I think it's the stomach) will also lead them down the dark path to sin and depravity.

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We don't like children to know women have stomachs until they are ready to begin dieting themselves.

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Blogger Elinor said...

Does Bell operate in the U.S., too? (Sorry if this is a stupid question...but I thought it was an exclusively Canadian ad.)

In context, the ad is slightly less offensive than it might initially seem. The TV spot snarks a bit on this couple (especially the wife...yeah, I know) for being ridiculously overprotective of their kids; cue a picture of a puzzled child looking at that page of the textbook, etc. But it completely undermines that snarkiness by suggesting that Bell parental-control software is great because it will help parents to "protect" their children from the slutty horrors of female anatomy, as if censoring health information were a cute quirk like collecting Disney figurines.

So there's been quite a campaign here to get it pulled - I know some of the people involved. Bell has agreed to pull it but their response hasn't been all it could have been.

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Anonymous Linchpin said...

We want to be just like Muslim men. Muslim men wrap their women in a Burqa in an act of moral hypocrisy that is in reality an attempt to avoid moral responsibility. If you blame your lack of self control on the object of your lust you escape guilt. By all means let’s let men off the hook for any introspection and let them curse the source of their being.

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Blogger Lance Mannion said...

Or...

the ad is aimed at parents of 12 and 13 year old boys who spend lots and lots and lots of time cracking each other up looking up words like vulva and clitoris in the dictionary. Biology textbooks and old issues of National Geographic are also lots of yuks.

What you try to do is keep your kids from getting too far ahead of themselves and developing the attitude that the female body is *dirty.* You try to make sure that the attitude the biggest jerk in the class has towards girls does not become your kid's attitude. It's about teaching respect not shame.

Since kids are very, very good at getting past their parents' defenses, parents often get desperate and overprotective and paranoid---and that's what the ad is poking fun at.

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Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Speaking of dieting, Hanna on We Can't Tell Reality From Fantasy mentioned a study in Australia that almost half of girls between five and eight years old wanted to be thinner.

I'm in favor of twelve and thirteen year old boys reading the dictionary definitions of "vulva" and "clitoris." That way, they'll know them. I've mentioned before here that I'm astonished at how little knowledge some women I've known had about their own bodies. I doubt boys are all that well informed either.

On the other hand, when I was fourteen or so, well before the Internet really took off, I remember reading information about male and female reproductive systems written for teens by doctors and published on GEnie and CompuServe. That actually served as a corrective to the nonsense I'd get from the obnoxious kids in the class.

In general, I profoundly distrust those parental filters. They're notorious for blocking good sources of information on sexuality, and on politics.

3/07/2005

 
Anonymous Thad said...

but apparently Bell thinks that mainstream America is warm to the idea of spreading shame about the female body. 

Sadly, this is a Canadian ad by a Canadian company. And Elinor is right, Bell can't have it both ways -- you can't mock the pathologically overprotective parents while at the same time trying to market a service that appeals exclusively to pathologically overprotective parents.

3/07/2005

 
Blogger Elinor said...

I think I'd rather my kids got their sexual yuks from dictionaries and biology textbooks than from almost any other source.

I don't think that kind of giggly curiosity is at all unusual or unhealthy in 12-year-olds, and I don't think that in and of itself it demonstrates that the kids are learning that sexuality is "dirty." I think they're much more likely to get that message if their parents won't let them discuss or see this stuff. I can see why parents would get overprotective and paranoid; certainly I'd be reluctant to leave a child to surf the Internet alone when thousands of porn sites are available to you at the click of a button, but the ad implicitly sanctions unacceptable behaviour — i.e. cutting pictures out of the textbooks the kid needs to do his homework, which may actually be the property of the kid's school and not the parents' to mutilate.

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Anonymous Thad said...

certainly I'd be reluctant to leave a child to surf the Internet alone when thousands of porn sites are available to you at the click of a button 

Okay, I know actual parents find advice from the childless maddening for some reason, but I just don't get this. If the kids wanna look at porn, let them look at the damn porn. If they want it, they're gonna find it anyway, regardless of what net nanny software you use or how closely you try to "supervise" their internet habits.

And seriously, I can't even imagine how anyone thinks this is somehow bad for kids. What harm is it supposed to be doing them, exactly? Can it possibly be any worse for them than say, television advertising? At least there's empirical data that the latter is actually bad for kids.

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Blogger Morgaine said...

If I had a kid, I would make sure that it saw SO much art that the idea of a naked body wouldn't raise an eyebrow. Maybe by the time she was old enough to get on the internet, all she'd notice is that the lighting is really bad in porn shots.

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Anonymous Pepper said...

We're surprised that, at the rate that Bell ad was going, they didn't block out the female brain as well.

Also, why is it that more and more people are seeing scientific - and artistic, to add in the statue that so tormented Ashcroft - images of the naked body as sexual. That's pretty weird. It's as if the uptight right is encouraging a whole generation to get off on anatomical drawings.

We guess we grew up in a more innocent time. These days, even Slim Goodbody would be banned as explicitly sexual.

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Blogger Charlie said...

I'm a father of two, and I actually agree with much of what is being said here. I hate that we censor as much as we do. To name just one example, I don't really mind if my kids see porn as long as it isn't violent and doesn't involve children or animals. I think the tendency to shame our children for stuff they don't even understand is terrible.

However. My kids are 3 1/2 and 2. They'll be going to kindergarden soon. It is my most fervent hope that they do not espouse anything about their genitals to their 5 year old peers, lest they be sent to the principal's office (or whatever they do to kids now) for being "naughty."

My point is, the society we live in shapes our kids to conform. I can either teach my son that he shouldn't talk to strangers about his penis, or society will do it for me. And I much prefer teaching him myself so I know it is done in a thoughtful and caring manner.

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Blogger Elinor said...

Well, clearly we've got some diversity of opinion on this topic.

I don't think all porn is created equal, and it certainly isn't all just naked people (if it were I'd be more inclined to agree with you); there's violence, there's misogyny, there are sites that sexualise children in an adult way, etc. In addition, you can land on it when you aren't actively seeking it out; I haven't encountered the pop-ups that won't go down lately, but I used to land on them when I didn't think I was clicking on sexual content at all.

I was thinking more of the things you stumble on than of the things you actively seek out, but even so, all porn is not the same and I don't think your average child (pre-puberty, I'm talking here) is or should be psychologically equipped to deal with all manifestations of adult sexuality, nor are children that young always the best judges of what they can and can't handle. I hardly think acknowledging that and trying to control some of the content one's children see is the same thing as thinking one can control 100% of what they see and hear, or covering up nude statues or cutting up anatomical drawings or hiding the piano legs or whatever.

Don't have any objection to that anecdote by TBogg, although I would probably have reacted just the way his daughter did, if I were in that situation.

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Anonymous Julian Elson said...

I suppose it's too their credit that the imaginary parents in the Bell ad didn't cut out the woman's brain as something that women are offensive and corrupt for possessing.

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Blogger shannon said...

I think the problem with porn and kids is not so much the porn itself, but the fact that kids might not be able to really *get* the difference between real sex and porn. Even now(at 20) I have to deal with the problems of guys who have done too much porn watching and not enough actual having sex...(No, women need more than 2 seconds of oral, No, women have pubic hair, No, fingering isn't a fun activity for the unwarmed up...)

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Blogger rabbit said...

I actually sent them an email...and they responded asking for my name and customer account number so they could document my complaint. Considering that I live in Chicago and they are Canadian I had no such thing.

Also...on the subject of TBogg's post: the second or third time my mother met my boyfriend was right after I had dyed my hair dark brown/red from light brown/blonde-ish and I looked very different. So...my mother...being my mother...asks him 'so is it like sleeping with another woman?' He, of course, has no idea what to say and just assumes she somehow must not have been talking to him. So she asks again. He recovered very nicely ('oh, sometimes I don't recognise her at the door with the new hair'), but he's still a little uncomfortable around my mom. :-) (I was 19 at the time, and he was 23, just to put this in age-context).

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Blogger Scott said...

For a more detailed description of the saga around this add, including the organizing by Canadian feminists and others against it, see this post on Canadian alternative news site Rabble.CA.

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'And since when did such flagrant anti-intellectualism become so mainstream?'

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