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Thursday, January 06, 2005

A rotten President's re-election considered, Pt. II

I had some more thoughts from this morning, but since I slept in late ('til 6:30, woo-hoo!) I didn't have time to write them.

Mark Danner thinks that the re-election of President Bush had little to do with a sudden swelling of enthusiasm for Jesus the Gay Basher, and I tend to agree with him at this point. However, there is little doubt that many of the scaredy-cat voters who want Daddy with a shotgun to protect them have co-mingled the War Against Terrorism with "moral values". A big, fat quote (emphasis mine):

The Iraq war was not only irrevocably part of the war on terror – who could think, gazing at the car bombs and beheadings every night on television, that they were any different? – it had become a leading part of the ideological response to the threat of terror: a first step in the expansion of the holy cause of freedom. As Reagan had dared to go beyond staunch anticommunism and imagine a world after communism's collapse, so Bush looked beyond the present chaotic world of terror to see a blessed land of freedom. ("In this election, my opponent has spent a lot of time talking about a day that is gone. I'm talking about the day that is coming.") It was a striking vision, clear and absolutely simple to understand. And it linked, firmly and directly, the so-called "moral values" of justice, fairness, and the Almighty to the cause of national security, and specifically to the war on terror that the Bush people kept relentlessly at the campaign's heart. "Terror," "Iraq," and "moral values," supposedly separate "important issues," had been seamlessly joined.

I agree with him there, but there's more going on and it (yes again) makes me reflect on George Lakoff's theories about conservatives being "strict fathers" and liberals being "nuturing parents". I agree with him in the way the language is used, but for the conservative side, the metaphor has grown beyond a linguistic one and is being made much more emotionally resonant. Which is to say that Bush voters have willingly been infantilized with Bush as Big Daddy so that they can be protected. And that's where the notion that "moral values" are predominantly about how Sex is Bad comes into play.

There are two primary views of what sex is for most people. There is the story we tell children, which is roughly, "When a man and a woman love each other very much they get together and make a baby." It's the story I was told and I'm sure most people got some variation on it.

Transitioning to adulthood is about a lot of things. Gaining independence. Taking pride in yourself. Taking on responsibilities. One of the big things that changes is your view of sexuality. Most people transition from this childish view to a larger view of sexuality that is complex, where sex can be "about" a lot more than a man + a woman = a baby. In fact, it's rarely about making babies at all. And it's not necessarily "about" love. Nor is it strictly a man/woman thing, even for straight people. I dare say expanding your ideas about sex is as critical a part of being mature as is learning to take responsibility and gaining independent, especially considering how the subject dominates the thoughts of those who are making the transistion from child to adult.

The terrorists are scary, no doubt about it, and it's appealing to return to a cocoon of childish dependence and protection. But infantilizing people is apparently a whole package thing. There's decreasing independence. (The Patriot Act.) There's removing responsibilities. (Fight them over there so as to not fight them here. Go shopping. The FCC will raise your children for you.) And there's the sort of rule setting that most people expect of a strict father when it comes to sex, which is to say that anything but procreative sex is seen as too complicated and perverse.

I think that might explain why people who don't abide by the Christian right's intolerance are still letting themselves vote for a man who is cooperating with the fundies. They have been lulled into childish acquiesence. Okay, well Dad's rules are strict but if you live under Dad's roof, you have to play by Dad's rules.

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Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

Brad, thanks for proving my point. Dad's house, Dad's rules. Don't like having to live with him invading my privacy and sniffing around my sex life, but where am I going to sleep?

1/06/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just posted some thoughts on the morality vote -- I don't see it as separate from the "war on terror".

Brad, you'll doubtless object that you care very much about the effects of W's policies, and view them as more effective on terror. But do you feel completely sure that belief in a moral universe -- a world that rewards 'virtue' -- hasn't influenced your position at all? If so, why do you feel so certain that invading Iraq will help us defeat Al-Qaida? Please read this before you answer, if you haven't already. I'm willing to bet it contains new information, particularly Questions 3 and 7. -Omar

1/06/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note that the second link explains why Al-Qaida didn't bother claiming responsibility for 9/11 -- they knew what we'd do in response, and claiming responsibility wouldn't advance this goal -- as well as their apparent lack of interest in targets that would do the most to hurt America. (Hint: why didn't we lose WWII?) -Omar

1/06/2005

 
Blogger Earnest said...

We shouldn't ask what has changed since Clinton; rather, we should ask what was special about Clinton. I get so mad when I hear people ask what has happened to the country. You didn't have to be very observant to see that the country was moving in a very fundamental way toward the right. It didn't even really start in the nineties; it started long before Clinton got elected and picked up steam during the nineties. What allowed Clinton to overcome that shift?

1/06/2005

 
Blogger Earnest said...

Actually, it was probably Perot that helped him overcome that shift in the first election.

1/06/2005

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

"Amanda,
I'd rather live in Dad's house than Osama's. How well was the feminist movement working under the Taliban?"

Well, feminists were pretty much the ONLY people speaking up about the Taliban and since it was a "woman's" issue and not important, it pretty much went ignored. Except of course when we tried to kill Osama bin Laden, and your beloved Republicans claimed that it was a distraction from Clinton's adultery.

You seem to be under the impression that feminism was running the Taliban. Much like feminism runs the Christian Right, I suppose.

"I'd rather live under Dad's house than Osama's." I know that Rush claims differently, but Bush was actually running against a senator named John Kerry, not Osama bin Laden, who is not eligible to be President anyway, as he is not a U.S. citizen. Damn government and their rules!

I love the choice--Osama or Bush? It's like your strict father yelling at you over the phone, "My way or the highway! Do you want to sleep under a bridge?" and you reminding him that you are actually an adult with a job and health insurance, aka that you could have put a Democrat into office.

People who live in terrorist targets overwhelmingly voted for Kerry. That should say something--maybe they wanted police, firemen, security upgrades, and an actual army here instead of Iraq in case something happened?

1/07/2005

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

It was a cheap shot and it also made no sense. Trying to get under my skin, which of course works since I am hot-tempered. But frankly, I see no reason outside of this infantilizing that I describe here to think that Bush would save our butts. Your willingness to "sacrifice" things is exactly the mentality I'm talking about--Dad's house, Dad's rules. Well, I don't live with my dad.

1/07/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've skimmed Podhoretz again, but I have too many objections to list here. To your own words: what person with even as much power as a blogger wanted us to "turn the other cheek"? (Kos: "Ignoring one blow just invites the next. America is not a land of Quakers and Mennonites. If attacked, it is inevitable that we will respond." Kerry: "...hunt them down and kill them.") That doesn't mean we have to go out of our way to help Al-Qaida recruitment. In itself, it gives us no reason to invade Iraq.

I agree, in principle, that victory (insofar as we can achieve victory without, say, giving every human tel-empathy) would require the creation of democracies to replace tyrannies. Two points, though.
1. I would've made the destruction of Al-Qaida our first priority. Bush did not.
2. Our two biggest remaining foes in the region, Iran and Syria, are now completely surrounded by hostile nations. Since when? The way I hear it, the best case scenario for Iraq involves a "moderate" Shi'ite-Islamic state, which I take to mean a lot of power for Shi'ite clerics and few protections for women and gays. This doesn't sound like the best-case scenario for bin Laden, but it could easily lead to the worst-case scenario for us: a second Shi'ite theocracy right next to Iran. (Not to put too fine a point on it, but this explains why Iran might've wanted us to invade Iraq.) Meanwhile, Iran has an internal opposition movement. And it looks a bit like an Otpor-style movement, meaning that it might succeed with little military aid from us. Oh, and they seem to like America more than anyone else in the region. Why didn't we start there? It seems entirely possible, now, that an Iranian democratic opposition will succeed -- and find itself with a hostile neighbor to the west.

Incidentally, do you think anyone has the slightest chance of producing an Islamic theocracy in America? Even bin Laden doesn't seem to think he can achieve this without first restoring the Caliphate, and who gives a flying farg what he plans to do then? We don't intend to let it reach that point.

We've gotten pretty far off topic. Do you think that W would have won without the phenomenon I described? If so, how do you explain the joint evidence of psychological study and polls? The "values" vote far exceeded the margin of victory, yes?

1/07/2005

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

Of course they felt they were voting good vs. evil. Lucky for Bush voters, the distinction between the two was symbolic. Unfortunately for those of us on the "kill" list, there's no time for indulging moral values or Daddy or whatever. We actually want to live, something that Bush adamantly opposes if it affects him politically.

Libertarians are a joke. If you really believed in liberty, you'd be liberal. Libertarianism is wanting patriarchal values without having to actually turn down sex when it's offered. Pardon me if feminists aren't down with a worldview which gives us an even more subservient position. But if your mano y mano ass wants to fight it out, come over. Seriously. Libertarians love the idea of a fight, but reality is a whole 'nother thing.

1/08/2005

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

Blegh. Sorry. Nah, hang on. I can be cruel and rude at times without meaning to be. To rephrase, I don't like the pat answers that libertarianism provides for damn near everything. It seems unrealistic to me and idealogy-driven. For instance, no matter how many advantages I could point out that my government health insurance and government pension has over private versions of the same, there's no getting past the "government is bad" wall of libertarianism.

I will say this. The one thing I always found really appealling about the philosophy is the libertarian belief in taking government interference out of private decisions, like whether to charge for sex or whatnot. That seems like the only democratic solution in alot of debates--if there's power to the people, the only way to decide who's "right" in a debate over say, gay marriage or abortion, is to just let people be free and not meddle. I get angry because the very thing that makes sense in libertarianism to me--civil rights--is the very thing that most libertarians I meet find disposable.

A vote for Bush is a vote for controlling women's reproduction, stifling gay rights, the Patriot Act and other very non-libertarian things. These should be numero uno concerns to someone who doesn't want government interference with private citizens. But since it's no big thing, I have to wonder about the motivation for being "libertarian" if liberty isn't your top concern.

The kill list is the people who live in cities the terrorists are likely to target--New York, D.C., Chicago, and L.A. I wouldn't even rule out smaller but symbolic targets like Austin, since it's the capital of Texas, and therefore could, in theory, be attractive to terrorists who want to strike at Texas. The very people in this country who are most likely to die at the hands of terrorists are the people who were most likely to vote for Kerry. That's a mind-bending thing to consider when you think of how terrorism was a big issue for Bush voters.

My theory is clear enough. The closer you are to danger, the more you look to a leader who will provide practical leadership. The further away you are, the more you look for a leader who will explain the danger is broad, symbolic terms that help you understand it and maybe, just maybe, make you feel important. So people in danger voted for Kerry and practical solutions to their safety concerns. People not in danger voted for Bush who will tell them that those other Americans, the ones who died or could die, are dying for the forces of good in the eternal battle against evil. Being told that your life is in danger due to Good vs. Evil is cold comfort when your local fire department's funds are getting cut.

1/08/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, more people voted for Kerry than for any President in previous history. The map certainly suggests that most of those votes came from cities. -Omar

1/09/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about that, Amanda. Some would consider John Stuart Mill a libertarian (though others would consider him a liberal: I guess he was somewhere in-between).

Julian Elson

1/09/2005

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

But Brad, if we are arguing the premise that Bush is going to *save us from terrorists*, and that is reason enough to sacrifice our civil liberties, then what do previous election trends really have to do with it. I grant that you're right--if it really, really is a choice between live free and die or live under Bush and live, then people are going to choose to live. If he really is going to save us all from Osama, then the cities, where people are under a real threat, should have turned out for him, don't you think?

NYC voted like 80% for Kerry, if I remember correctly. You'd think that those citizens MIGHT know a thing or two about what terrorism means. Why'd they go for Kerry? Were they not properly frightened?

1/09/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Julian, I think she pretty clearly meant modern American/internet libertarians.

Brad, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. We know that 3% more people voted for W than voted for Kerry. Getting back to the topic, more people voted for Kerry in 2004 than voted for W in 2000, or for any President in any previous election. This logically implies that Kerry got more official votes than Gore. I have the impression that Kerry and Gore both got most of their votes from cities, which hold a large fraction of the population. See here. This suggests to me that quite a few more city voters went for Kerry than went for Gore. Looking at the District of Columbia vote in this other 2000 vs 2004 comparison, we see that Bush got an equal percentage of both votes, while Kerry got 90% to Gore's 85%. (Gore got a smaller piece of a smaller pie.) On a less relevant note, I feel glad that more Floridans voted for Kerry in 2004 than voted for W in 2000 -- at least Florida Democrats learned their lesson. (This difference exceeds the 2004 Florida margin of victory.)

1/09/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahem -- I meant "W beat Kerry by 3% of the popular vote," not 3% more than Kerry. Stupid basic math.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahem -- I meant "W beat Kerry by 3% of the popular vote," not 3% more than Kerry. Stupid basic math. Note that Kerry beat W's 2000 numbers by a larger absolute number of votes. Note, also, that while I have no memory, Kerry still beat Gore by a huge number. -Omar

1/09/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahem -- I meant "W beat Kerry by 3% of the popular vote," not 3% more than Kerry. Stupid basic math. Note that Kerry beat W's 2000 numbers by a larger absolute number of votes. -Omar

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