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Tuesday, March 01, 2005

The death penalty divide

Today's news that the Supreme Court found, at an alarmingly close margin of 5-4, that it's unconstitutional to execute minors has caused a great deal of rejoicing amongst us liberals, who have little cause to rejoice lately. A bunch of people sent the news to me in my email with a note of relief attached. I'm relieved, too. But the spoilsport in me immediately knew that this was going to be one of those court decisions where people were going to fall along partisan lines quickly and not much communication would happen.

The first email I got today about the decision specifically refuted and rebelled against Scalia's angry dissent that outright stated that Americans are backing away from supporting the death penalty because we are afraid of what a bunch of foreigners think of us. My friend said that we were finally in line with the rest of the world on at least one issue. In a sense, I agree with him, but only because I think the majority of the Western opinion on this issue is right. But the stubborn side of me, the Bubba side, immediately revolted against the notion that we should conform to world opinion just because.

I know that my fellow liberals don't actually think that we should conform to world opinion. World opinion is something we lean on in many cases because it's a lighthouse in the storm, a way for us to recognize that once you step outside of the onslaught of conservative propaganda, reality is a lot easier to see. By pointing to world opinion, we aren't saying that we should conform for its own sake. But to be liberal in America is to be told that you are out of the mainstream and so it's both comforting and revealing to point out that we are with a mainstream in the world, a mainstream that has access to truths many Americans don't know.

This decision not to execute minors is mentally linked, for me and I'll bet for many others, with the issue of torturing our prisoners in the War on Terror, or if you prefer like I do, War on People with Resources We Want to Confiscate. Predicatably, the denials that we are torturing prisoners quickly turned into painful justifications for torture. How are the two similiar? Well, it's pretty simple--try to make a nuanced argument against the execution of minors, much less the death penalty itself, or against torturing terrorist "suspects" and face down a bunch of counter-arguments that you support murder or terrorism itself.

Well, or that you're a wuss. That's the most common argument, that we liberals are weak-willed and are too muddy-brained with sympathy for our fellow human beings to see that some people need killing. Or torturing.

The hard part is that many of the liberal persuasion probably are sensitive human beings whose emotional reaction to execution or torture really does stop them cold. Or they are hardasses who know all too well that give an inch to torture of enemies of the state leads to the callous insanity of the Holocaust. I am not picking on them. But I am offering that many of us have entirely different reasons for our opposition to state-sponsored torture and death.

I was pained to read an all too typical conservative viewpoint that implied that anti-death penalty opponents don't "get" the severity of murder at Hugo's blog.

Not so for Christopher Simmons, who plotted both the burglary and the murder with two younger friends specifically because he wanted to murder somebody, and because he thought they could all get away with it because they were under 18. He then broke into a random house in the middle of the night looking for someone to murder, stumbled across a woman he happened to recognize, tied her up, threw her over a bridge, drowned her, and bragged to his friends about having killed a woman because "the bitch seen my face."

CMC, if you want to be the guinea pig and have Mr. Simmons live in YOUR neighborhood as part of his rehabilitation, be my guest. Just make sure your new neighbor doesn't get anywhere near my neighborhood.

Anyway, I think it's just a shame that this misconception about death penalty opponents--that we have undue sympathy for monsters--persists. I personally don't care if someone who commits crimes like this is killed by being skinned alive. But there's a reason that this commenter wowed us with the horror of the crime rather than impressed us with the evidence in this fact. Horrific crime makes us demand retribution. It overrides our sense of justice and turns us into creatures of vengenance, wanting blood for blood. The death penalty gives us that opportunity.

I know myself and I know that if I were sitting on a jury for an ugly murder and was given an eye for an eye option, the temptation to take it would make it very difficult for me to hand out a fair verdict. Looking at the victim's family, knowing the details--it's a nightmare. Even without the death penalty, it's difficult to get a just conviction. With the death penalty, if some new evidence comes to light exonerating the convicted party, well, he's dead.

Let's make it clear--most opponents of the death penalty aren't overly worried about the fate of the guilty. We worry about the innocent. We worry that participating in an inherently unjust system will turn the innocent into the guilty. That's why we oppose torture. We have no love for those who plan to commit terrorist attacks against us. But we know that torturing and murdering turns the innocent, in this case the young people who are our soliders, into the guilty, people who let blood for what ultimate purpose is lost to the fog.

And that's why not to execute--the finality of death means that those who execute are innocents turned to guilty, having acted with finality upon someone for reasons that turn to ungraspable smoke once the dead have passed.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post. I was once served on the jury on a very minor criminal trial and was amazed at how difficult it was for the 12 of us to come to any sort of consensus about what seemed at first to be a very straightforward matter. It was an incredibly emotional experience which haunted me for months afterwards. Criminal cases often seem very cut-and-dried when you read about them in the newspaper, but they're way more complex and ambiguous when you experience them from the courtroom. I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to sit on a jury for a death penalty case, and I think it's unfair to place that burdan on anyone. -- Octavia

3/01/2005

 
Blogger owen_in_space said...

Okay. So I just got home drunk so I will probably (walked home drunk, by the way) know the answer to this tomorrow but as I am drunk I have this question: What exactly ties together liberal (of course, idealized, Platonic Ideal liberalism) opinions? Like, por ejemple:
Socially we are prochoice, pro downward distribution of wealth, pro civil rights, etc. So what ties together everything? Why does antideath penalty coincide with ferverant affirmative action-ism? Is it because we're all "person-centric"? As humanists? What about anti-choicers? Aren't they, in a way, person-centric? There's an idea underneath all of this but, as I am drunk, I'm not really able to express it. I guess my question is: What are the "initial-position" beliefs that form liberalism? Keep in mind that I'm drunk.

3/02/2005

 
Anonymous Me said...

I was having this discussion earlier today with several people who were really against this decision initially. Justice Kennedy goes to pains to point out that not only are we against world opinion on the issue, we are the only country in the world now that executes juveniles. Not China, not Saudi Arabia, but the United States. The opinion points out that the United Kingdom has banned executions for those under the age of 21 since 1930.

That fact stopped most people in their tracks. There's "world opinion" and then there's the only country left in the world.

People recognize implicitly that children think differently. That's why we have statutory rape laws and why we charge god awful insurance rates for those under 25.

When you start pointing out that worse than dictatorships then the only thing left to do is quibble about the process of change, either by legislature or the courts. And I don't think Justice Scalia is as persuasive.

Scalia has written some good pro-defendant opinions, but I think he's wrong on his cruel and unusual punishment analysis. But this debate about how to determine what is cruel and unusual has started back since Atkins v. Virginia which outlawed the execution of the mentally retarded.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Charlie said...

You make a good point that there are many reasons for being opposed to the death penalty and torture. That being said, I think one could make a case that conservatives like Hugo don't get the severity of murder. After all, they are the ones proposing that we end another's life as a punishment.

Perhaps calling it "severity of murder" is not the best way to talk about it. Reasonable people can disagree on what constitutes murder. "Severity of killing" might be better. Regardless of whether you think it is murder or not, involuntarily taking someone's life feels wrong to me. And two wrongs don't make a right.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Lanoire said...

Charlie: yeah. They think so little of life that they want to give the state power of life and death over its citizens.

I'm one of those civil libertarian types who opposes the death penalty because it seems to me that if the state can kill you, it owns you. Strangely, my argument against the death penalty is similar to my argument for decriminalized abortion--the government cannot kill my body or use it for its own purposes.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Timothy said...

I know that my fellow liberals don't actually think that we should conform to world opinion. World opinion is something we lean on in many cases because it's a lighthouse in the storm, a way for us to recognize that once you step outside of the onslaught of conservative propaganda, reality is a lot easier to see. By pointing to world opinion, we aren't saying that we should conform for its own sake.On imigration, I have heard many conservatives complain about the fact that the U.S. is the only nation in the world that gives someone citizenship just because they were born within our borders. And I think, "Woo Hoo! Go, U.S.A!! We're #1! Why do you people hate America?"

3/02/2005

 
Anonymous mina said...

"that outright stated that Americans are backing away from supporting the death penalty because we are afraid of what a bunch of foreigners think of us"

Speaking as someone who's a foreigner to Americans (but you're all technically foreigners to me, so, hmm, it's all kind of relative isn't it?), I must say I find that kind of view really really sad. I mean, that people would use the accusation of being afraid of the opinion of a "bunch of foreigners" (niiice view of international conventions, as ever); or cave in to that accusation as if it had any weight. Nevermind the unpleasant and bigoted implications of that mentality. Let's look at the pragmatic aspect. AS IF the popular opinion of any country or bunch of countries in the world or the entire world itself ever influenced American popular opinion and most importantly its government policies in the slightest way?! When? Where? It's a joke really. A very very lame joke. Enough said.

(The link is not my web page, but something that should be a good read on the topic of torture. See the full transcript, too).

3/02/2005

 
Blogger WookieMonster said...

owen_in_space-

I think the answer would be empathy and compassion, maybe just something having to do with a willingness to see the big picture. Looking at life with a global perspective as opposed to just looking at your little slice of the world.

That's my theory anyway.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Amanda said...

Owen, I generally aspire to democratic-with-a-small-d ideals and try to view issues through that lens. That's vague, I know. The devil is in the details.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Sally said...

I think that the Bill of Rights opens up the question of what the rest of the world is doing by making "unusual" part of the standard for what's prohibited. It's assumed that we're supposed to measure what we do against some sort of general norm, and it's not unreasonable to think that the norm might be international conventions.

I get unreasonably angry at the idea that anti-death-penalty types don't "get" the severity of murder. There are entire anti-death-penalty organizations made up of family members of murder victims. There's significant opposition to the death penalty in the communities that are most affected by violent crime. It's stupid and trite and an insult to people who have to live with the reality of our fucked-up, violent culture.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Earnest said...

Reasonable people shouldn't disagree with what constitutes murder. It's unlawful killing, which is why the Death Penalty isn't murder.

3/02/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahh, but Earnest reasonable people disagree all the time about what constitutes murder. Abortion? Various kinds of self-defense? These issues are not cut-and-dried. Even if you drop the abortion debate out of the picture, the issue of whether the killing of an abusive husband constitutes murder or self-defense and under what circumstances is ongoing and has been for years.

Myself I'm against the death penalty because it is 99% of the time about vengeance rather than justice or public safety, and I don't think we as a society need to be condoning that aspect of human nature.

3/02/2005

 
Blogger Sally said...

"Reasonable people shouldn't disagree with what constitutes murder. It's unlawful killing, which is why the Death Penalty isn't murder."My first cousin once removed was lawfully executed by the government of the country in which he lived. He was, at the time of his death, three years old. The fact that his murder was "legal" doesn't make it any less murder. Sometimes the laws are wrong. Sometimes the laws permit unspeakable evil. It's morally lazy to believe that just because something is currently legal that means it's morally right.

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Blogger Omar said...

What about anti-choicers? Aren't they, in a way, person-centric?

By their own definition, perhaps. But they appeal to human genes and organs, not to any rational science-fiction definition of personhood. Similarly, many see animal rights as a liberal issue. Both situations involve some criteria for having rights beyond human genes. This connects to the remark about compassion. One would expect a person or compassion-centric movement to have thought about these issues at some point.

3/02/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do agree with Mina - the "rest of the world" is a rather large place, and America certainly doesn't exist in a vaccuum. Besides, as a political power, America has has quite an influence on us "bunch of foreigners", friendly or no.

3/02/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quite a good post, Amanda, and the fact that innocence can never be fully asserted in an unjust system, making an irreversible death contrary to justice, can never be higlighted enough.

However, I for one truly care about the guilty. It's about dignity no matter what, but more than that : it's about free-will. It's about unpredictability. It's about the fact that all human beings can change. And that nothing, to me, is as important as that never-ending second chance.

It's about the belief that every single human being, however stupid or cruel at one point of their life, can know utter beauty, and joy, and find that in others. It's about knowing that no one is beyond redemption, that no one can ever be bereft of the possibility to fight for others and to give himself to others.

Death is the only thing that takes choice away from us. Not every criminal will "reform". Some will, some won't. Still, it doesn't matter if it's a 1 to 1000 ratio, because this is about faith. Not a religious one, of course. But faith in mankind. That's what makes us liberals, isn't it ?

Not that we can't be cynics, not that we don't denounce flaws. But we believe it can always get better, because we have it in ourselves. The seed. Will it bloom ? In myself ? In these others ? In those others ? I cannot say. Can you ?

3/02/2005

 
Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Part of my opposition to the death penalty is that it's used to justify the severity of the criminal justice system overall. Why complain about 25-to-life? At least you didn't get the death penalty.

The US imprisons a higher proportion of its population than any other nation except, I think, the People's Republic of China.

3/03/2005

 
Blogger Tuli said...

The reason we turn to the international community for this Roper analysis of the Eight Amendments prohibition on “Cruel and Unusual Punishment,” is the unusual aspect of the punishment. Executing people who commit crimes as minors is unusual, and therein lies the justification for the prohibition. We are one of only three countries that engaged in this type of punishment, and a growing majority of states in the US are outlawing it. So, under a Roper analysis, executing people who were minors when they committed crimes, is clearly “unusual.” This reasoning also fits in nicely with your torture analysis.

Just MHO.

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