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You are Kaylee, the ship's mechanic. You are cute
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Figures. My non-blog self is far too sunny for my own good. Plus, I have a Texas accent.

I take it I'm not the only person who misses this show. It was like a weekly date for me and my boyfriend before it was cancelled. First, "Firefly". Then we'd get ready to go out.

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Blogger Sally said...

You know that there's a Firefly movie coming out in September, right? It's directed by Joss Whedon, and it's got the entire original cast as well as some cool new folks (Shohreh Aghdashloo, Chiwetel Ejiofer, the nerdy guy from Numbers). I'm very excited.

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Blogger heydt said...

The problem with this quiz is that if you've seen the show it's all too easy to steer yourself toward a certain crew member. Vaguer questions or more obscure references might have been better.

Hard, tho, with a show with such a limited run. Hopefully, after the movie is a huge success (cross fingers), it will be picked up as a series again...

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Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Greatest science fiction TV show EVER.

Oh, and I got Simon, the Doctor. Maybe it's from watching ER all the damned time.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It wasn't a sci-fi show, really. It was a western. Set in space.

I was Wash, by the way.

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Blogger Linnaeus said...

Once again, I'm decidedly un-hip. I'd never even heard of Firefly until I saw this post. My connection with TV sci-fi ended with Bablyon 5.

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Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Linnaeus, fortunately, you can rent the series on DVD, including the episodes that never got broadcast. And you can watch them in order -- they were broadcast out of order, which made things confusing.

Yes, it's a western-in-space. Pretty blatantly, really. However, a lot of science fiction is some variant of the "Age of Sail" in space or the like. Science fiction isn't really about the future. Joss Whedon said he chose the structure and setting he did so he could concentrate on storytelling.

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Blogger Sally said...

I have a possibly-overly-cynical theory that Joss Whedon set his western in space because it allowed him to do a standard Western without worrying about some of the political issues. For instance, the Reavers are stand-ins for Native Americans, but it's ok to make them total savages, because they're not really Native Americans. Mal is your standard-issue former Confederate, pining for the lost cause, but since the lost cause isn't the Confederacy, we don't have to deal with the whole slavery thing. (And of course, Mal is opposed to slavery.) These days, you can only do revisionist Westerns, because of the political problems with the standard script. Firefly found a way around that by radically decontextualizing the West.

This is probably unfair, because it's possible that the Reavers would have turned out to be more complicated than they seemed. Whedon never got a chance to really develop his universe, so it's hard to know what it would have looked like.

Anyway, I'm Kaylee, too. I don't think that's right, though. I'm probably more of a Wash. I was afraid I was going to end up being River, because I had to be honest and go with "my food is problematic." I think I say that on a pretty regular basis.

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Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Linnaeus, by the way, Babylon 5 was my second favorite science fiction TV series of all time. Though from what others have said, that may be because I never really got to watch Farscape.

Sally, I agree and disagree. There's a lot of recontextualizing in science fiction -- some of it pretty nauseating. I've lost track of how much science fiction and fantasy I've read that features people who live in the desert and are highly militaristic religious fanatics. I gave up on Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine when one issue had two short stories with that as an element.

And a lot of science fiction -- perhaps most of it -- has overtly rightwing politics. If you've never read any of the Honor Harrington novels... don't. They're thinly veiled repackages of Horatio Hornblower in space, only with a bizarre libertarian aristocracy presented as the ideal political model. (I'm surprised how popular aristocracy is with libertarians. I can't fathom the logic.) She's constantly fighting against an evil welfare state, which is forced to expand through conquest, because *obviously* in a welfare state very few people ever actually work.

Anyway, I'm not certain of Joss Whedon's politics, but I'd be really surprised if he doesn't consider himself left-of-center. There are some parallels between the defeated Confederacy in the "Old West" and the defeated Independents in Firefly -- but not the politics. It's the slave-owning plantation-owning aristocrats who won this war. And how often do you really get a good story, especially in science fiction, from the point of view of the good guys WHO LOST?

You can't always count on winning all the time, and you need to know what to do when you lose but survive.

I really don't think the Reavers are supposed to be analogues of American Indians. They're the Other, but they're the Other who used to be Us. Think of Mal Reynold's position: he was a (minor) leader in a rebellion, who had honor and respect, but now he's an outcast, desperately trying to maintain some sense that he's different from the thieves and pirates with whom he deals. The Reavers are an image of the ultimate degradation -- they are what Mal is afraid he and his friends could become. That only works because the Reavers aren't foreign, but rather people like Mal and the others who looked too deep into the Void and lost themselves.

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Blogger Amanda said...

Whedon's politics are definitely to the left, and he is particularly interested in incorporating his feminist politics into his work. You can quibble with the results, but that's definitely his intention.

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Blogger Sally said...

"Anyway, I'm not certain of Joss Whedon's politics, but I'd be really surprised if he doesn't consider himself left-of-center."

That's probably true, but from what was filmed, if I had to pin down Firefly's politics, I'd say it was libertarian. The government is shown pretty much exclusively as an oppressive force. I suspect that's partly because we didn't get to see enough to get the whole story. For instance, Whedon suggested in an interview that Mal's take on the Alliance wasn't totally reliable. And he didn't get a chance to develop the Blue Sun corporation stuff, which presumably would have been a critique of capitalism and not just the government.

"There are some parallels between the defeated Confederacy in the "Old West" and the defeated Independents in Firefly -- but not the politics. It's the slave-owning plantation-owning aristocrats who won this war."

Right, but that's kind of my point. This takes a standard Western plot (the defeated Confederate lights out for the territories to get away from the oppressive, encroaching government) and decontextualizes it so that Mal can be a basically-decent guy who wouldn't have fought for slavery. In this fantasy world, you can have a Civil War that was really about state's rights. If you made this a standard, historical, non-space Western, you'd have to confront the moral ambiguity of Mal and Zoe having, on some level, fought to uphold slavery.

"And how often do you really get a good story, especially in science fiction, from the point of view of the good guys WHO LOST?"

I don't usually watch or read science fiction, but wasn't Star Wars something siimilar? And the "loser" who heads for the frontier seems to be a pretty iconic bit of American folklore and literature. I actually think it was really cool and smart to play with that very American narrative, but I don't think the good losers were what was original about Whedon's vision.


"I really don't think the Reavers are supposed to be analogues of American Indians. They're the Other, but they're the Other who used to be Us."

I sort of agree, and I think it was a really good call to have made them sort of feral people rather than "aliens" or racial others. But I still think they stand in for American Indians. In the traditional, historical Western, you have people who are struggling to exist somewhere in between the excessive civilization of the East and the total savagery of the Native Americans. And Serenity's crew is in the same position: they're trying to venture far enough out that they can't be controlled by the Alliance, but not so far out that the Reavers can get them and do all their terrible, uncivilized Reavery-y things to them. Reavers aren't Indians, but structurally they play the part of Indians.

"The Reavers are an image of the ultimate degradation -- they are what Mal is afraid he and his friends could become. That only works because the Reavers aren't foreign, but rather people like Mal and the others who looked too deep into the Void and lost themselves."

I'm not sure about that. I think that fear of "going native" figures into a lot of frontier narratives, even the ones where the natives are explicitly racialized.

Anyway, I definitely agree that Whedon is intentionally incorporating feminist ideas. Sometimes he does a better job of that than other times, but he's one of the few people out there who is really making an effort.

Ack! I'm hijacking Amanda's blog! Sorry!

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Blogger Amanda said...

Sally, you make very good points, but I see the Western tropes on the show much differently. Much of science fiction is thinly veiled Western plots stuffed full of right wing reactionary nonsense. I think Whedon's idea was to whip the veil away, show the Western trappings of science fiction and then mount a criticism of them. Westerns glorify the power of the rugged individual, which is who the character Mal was supposed to represent.

Buffy was also a rugged individual stock character--the superhero. But the show gracefully undermined the notion that rugged individualism is an effective strategy and replaced it slowly with strategies of power-sharing and collectivism. By the end, they had set it up so that rugged individualism was trounced completely and the Slayer's power was spread all over the world. And it was demonstrated really well that sharing power is actually empowering--now that there are many Slayers, Buffy can take a break to be herself.

I have a feeling that was the direction the "Firefly" was taking. There were plot dominoes all over the place that were set up to topple and slowly discredit the legitimacy of the rugged individualism that Mal represents. The collective nature of the group on the ship was a good indicator of this.

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Suspicion and opposition to government is not unique to the strand of contemporary conservatism called "libertarianism." Liberals and conservatives each tend to favor certain parts of governments, and dislike other parts. How many Robert Redford movies have there been in which the CIA came out a monstrosity? Among the radical left, there's a lot of different positions on what to do with the state: take it over, abolish it immediately, or replace it with a different one.

Otherwise, Sally made some good points.

I really like Amanda's idea, though. It very much fits my sense of the story arc. Mal seems very much stuck in a particular mental framework -- one that no longer works, one that he KNOWS no longer works, but he won't really move on. It'd make sense that, in the context of the story, he's oversimplifying the Alliance/Independents conflict. Inara said she'd favored unification, Simon did (at least he used to), and Book seems to be an Alliance agent of some kind. I have the feeling we were eventually going to run into more complications because of all that.

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