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I agree completely with Ezra from Pandagon that it' s a crying shame that tax breaks for teachers to help them buy school supplies have to be cut in order to pay for more corporate giveaways. But I do have to quarrel with this:

I remain convinced that a smart presidential candidate could win an election simply on a plan to make teaching a princely profession; there's a large constituency for such a shift (not a parent in this country would object to a massive effort aimed at attracting better teachers for their children) and, to be quite honest, it'd probably be one of the most effective programs we could create to grease the tracks of social mobility -- you attract good teachers to poor districts and you've suddenly made the educational ladder much easier to traverse. Make pay inversely proportional to the economic conditions of the chosen district and impose strict standards for accountability and you're golden.

Teachers are one of the favorite targets of red-state vitriol, and offering pay raises for them is less popular than you would think. Conservatives always counter pay raises for teachers with a pile of sexist, racist garbage that sadly convinces large numbers of people, including a few school teachers I've known.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, it is still a cherished, Norman Rockwell belief that school teachers are darling young women working for pin money and/or until the right man comes along. Therefore, it's felt they don't "need" more money. Anyway, they do it because they love the work, so it's not like we're going to get better teachers with more cash. (Why they reject this argument when it comes to doctors, I couldn't tell you.)

As for using money to attract good teachers to poorer districts, you can imagine how well it goes over in suburbia to argue that their tax money should go towards getting poor people, imagined always as some other race to boot, into college to compete with their children. Well, I can tell you, from a state that has constant screaming from the 'burbs about "their" tax money going to pay for "urban" schools that they resent every single dime spent on children that aren't theirs. It makes me furious, of course, since they expect people like me who don't even have children to pay taxes to educate their babies, but what can you do?

I wish we could make people smarter about education and better people altogether, but that's not going to happen. In the meantime, I don't think you can hang your hat on an election plan unless you can explain it to the suburbanites as benefitting them above all others.

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Blogger Fred Vincy said...

I'm afraid you're exactly right. Add to the factors you've listed the a priori belief that government can't do things right and that spending more money on things is "just throwing money at the problem" -- certainly not as valuable as talking tough and demanding "accountability".

Public schools have faults, but they also have a lot of challenges. I thought about this last week when I picked my son up from his new public school (usually he walks home). I saw many, many children with various disabilities -- a girl with an artificial leg, kids in wheelchairs, kids with patent neurological problems -- and the school does its best to educate all comers. I had a great education from a great private school, but they simply opted out of dealing with those challenges (even with a budget that exceeded a public school budget by, I suspect, 50% per student).

9/15/2004

 
Blogger Amanda said...

The sad thing is that "throwing money at the problem" does help. Teachers do it to make a living, and the better the support system for them the better they will do. But until we get over thinking of them like Laura Ingalls teaching while living as a boarder until she marries,that won't get through.
I think I might have liked teaching high school, but it's just a pain to pay your own money out to go to school for it with no guarantee of steady employment when you're done.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can tell you exactly why people expect to pay doctors well and expect to pay schoolteachers badly. Medicine is perceived as a male profession (even if more women are joining in recent years), and teaching is perceived as a female profession, with the few men teaching either seen as not-so-masculine, or being Catholic teaching brothers with poverty vows. In countries where most doctors have been women in the past 30-50 years (most Soviet bloc countries), the status and pay of doctors has been low historically, except in the male-dominated professoriate. In countries where teachers are paid well and highly respected (Germany and Japan), most teachers are men.

I agree with the general point that the haves wish the have-nots to be poorly educated compliant laborers that are no competition for the have children, and the have-nots want to get the same education as the haves.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget that public school teachers are "teaching homosexuality" and "teaching evolution" and whatnot.

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Blogger Mary Garth said...

Hi, Amanda (and Fred!),

While I agree with what you're saying about the problems many states have had with attempts to increase funds for poorer districts (and Texas is one of the states, along with Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, etc. that have had law suits on the issue and ended up with courts ordering equalization between richer and poorer districts) because of objections from the suburbanites, it seems to me this is one reason why some kind of federal program, along the lines that Ezra is talking about, might be a good thing--the higher up the redistribution takes place, the less personalized it is, in a sense, and (perhaps) the less suburban parents see it as money leaving their schools to go to poorer schools.

I wonder if it could be done sort of the way Clinton did the 100,000 new police officers program, which (I think) was pretty popular, or at least pretty well-spun. What communities benefitted most from that program? Wasn't it mainly cities? Yet I don't think the perception there was one of suburbanites paying for policing somewhere else.

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Blogger Amanda said...

That is a very good point, Mary. Still, I think the sexism that NancyP speaks about is still a factor. Female teachers dominate pretty much every school district, and across the board they are still pictured as less worthy for being female.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I understand, Americans consistently tell pollsters that they would be willing to pay more taxes if it went to education. But I bet that if you asked them about teachers' salaries, that they wouldn't be so positive...

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Blogger Lanoire said...

Anyone who talked about boosting teachers' salaries would need to be really strong on other issues to win. Teachers are a bit like lawyers in popular imagination. People tend to think of them as lucky commie bastards who get their summers off.

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Blogger Mary Garth said...

Hi again,

Point definitely taken on the femaleness issue--which makes the initiative for 100,000 police officers a less than perfect parallel (although I'm sure some of them were women--but the image of police in most people's minds is male).

What is to be done, though? Local financing of education is clearly a disaster, and state-level financing not much better (since suburban legislators often end up dominating legislatures, and the fancy suburbs already pay their teachers plenty...)

As another idea (not that I'm giving up on the first one yet necessarily) what do you all think of obligatory national service, with teaching being one of the options for how it could be fulfilled? (One problem is that it doesn't get you experienced teachers, but it might get you smart & enthusiastic ones... and some might decide to make a career out of it after their service ended...)

I'm not trying to be particularly realistic at the moment, more just wondering what we could imagine that would change the way things are...

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Blogger echidne said...

I used to live elsewhere, in a country where teachers are paid about the same (adjusted for vacation time) as physicians. And you get pretty incredible teachers that way. It's true that the U.S. could get good teachers in the past, as women didn't have very many alternative employments in the white-collar world (social work and secretaries were the other possibilities), but once the barriers between occupations by sex were somewhat relaxed this is no longer always true. I'm not saying that there aren't many fantastic teachers; there are. But all teachers are being paid poorly and this will by necessity cause fewer people who'd like to teach and who would be good at it go to some other field.

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Blogger delagar said...

"Why they reject this argument when it comes to doctors, I couldn't tell you."

Not to mention when it comes to, oh, CEOs and Congressmen.

There's also the problem that people are delusional about how much teachers actually make -- "Wish I could make thirty a year for working a seven hour day with summers off!" said a fellow to me not too long ago.

This is in Arkansas, where our starting teachers make twenty-one a year (and that sucking sound you hear is our teacher ed graduates leaving for Oklahoma and Missouri).

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Blogger Amanda said...

Most people who say stuff like that wouldn't last five minutes in a classroom full of kids, much less seven hours. Teachers are pretty much "on" all day long. Most of us spend as much time planning dinner and balancing our checkbook at work as we do working.

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