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Monday, October 18, 2004

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For all the craziness that I saw growing up on the edge of the Bible Belt, I never saw such mean-spirited hatred as the sort you read in this article. For all the paranoia, I cannot imagine anyone advocating the death penalty for homosexuals and preaching how to vote in church. It's sad what can happen to decent people when they are in the grip of this sort of hysteria.

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mouse, if they listen to this crap and stick around for more, they never were decent people. And they certainly weren't Christians of the sort that Jesus ("let who among you is without sin cast the first stone") would recognise.

Right now, Gay = Jew for some folks who are looking to update their kill 'em all portfolio. The good news is that "gay panic" defenses for murder are not successful very often. And that may deter some of the rychus, who don't fancy spending 20 to life in prison.

Mainstream conservative pastors don't advocate actual gay-bashing violence, although most may not want to speak out against it. But of course even the "responsible" pastors are hinting strongly on how to vote, on pain of Hell. Churches know how far they can go without jeopardizing their 501c3s. And it is pretty far - they would have to say, "In order to be a member in good standing, you must vote for Bush" AND have no qualifiers AND be small enought that the IRS won't be afraid to target you. The Catholic Church has in a few dioceses come pretty close to the first statement: If you vote for a pro-choice candidate, you are in mortal sin and must go to confession and repent. (News flash: Bush isn't actively calling for a ban on abortion required to save life of mother, he is merely denying that such a situation could occur. Therefore there is no candidate fulfilling Bishops Chaput's and Burke's requirements). But of course no-one is going to contest Catholic Church on tax exemption.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention on the last post that opposition to same-sex civil union, marriage, or other recognition is also a litmus test for the bishops in question.

Pretty amazing. Allowing SSM is always a grave sin, but war is not. Tell that to the Iraqi boy who lost his parents, siblings, and three of four limbs in the early part of the war.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can 60% of a whole state be so cruel and so dogmatic? I live in Missouri, where an amendment declaring "Marriage is between a man and a woman" passed with something like 70% of the vote. This goes beyond that: they have this abstract principle of marriage that they want to defend, and they're willing to put huge legal burdens on something like 4% of their fellow citizens for the sake of some abstract principle. Why? It isn't as if 60% of a whole state can be raging sadists, can they? They can't be dogmatic linguistic prescriptivists who insist that defending a word is worth more than the freedom and happiness of their fellow citizens, can they? What do they want? Who do they think they're benefitting? What morals do they think they're following? I can understand people like Johnston, who are just cruel bigots, which are bound to be a few people anywhere, but 60% of people are not Johnstons. I'm not claiming that a majority of "ordinary folk" must be saints or anything, but I can't imagine why the majority of "ordinary folk" would be wantonly cruel either.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note: I'm as confused about Missouri as Ohio. Why would 70% of the population do this? What's at stake for over 2/3rds of my fellow Missourians that makes them want to do this?

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