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At feministing, there is a good discussion going of the place of the engagement ring in a feminist's life. The interesting thing is that the discussion veered quickly over to male anger over what is perceived as female-driven demands to obtain this particular bauble, and how this male anger can be dealt with.
While I understand that it's maddening for some men to have women demand entirely too expensive rings as a symbol of engagement, it's time to take a breath and remember that the engagement ring is not a symbol of male oppression, but of female oppression.
Wedding rings used to be good enough. Escalating materialism has a lot to do with why engagement rings, which traditionally have diamonds on them and are more expensive than wedding rings, have grown in popularity, but that's not the entire story. It's telling that the engagement ring rose in popularity at the same time that women began demanding that their husbands wear their wedding rings.
Nowadays, it's so common for men to sport their wedding rings proudly that we forget that most men didn't even have one, much less wear one not that long ago. I remember an episode of the show "Maude" I saw in reruns where Maude asks her husband to accept and wear a wedding ring when they renew their vows and he balks. Why? Because he sees it as a sign that she possesses him. Rightfully, she points out that if that's true, then her ring is a sign that he possesses her. At the end, they both sport rings and the meaning of the ring is subtly changed from possession to commitment. (I point this out in the comments at feministing.)
The change was so rapid a lot of us might have missed it. My father wore his wedding ring when married to my mother sporadically. He's, well, married to his ring with his new wife. The old wedding ring was like a dog pissing on his property. The new one is a symbol of fellowship, love, and commitment. Much nicer. But it undermines male dominance. Enter the engagement ring.
Gaudy engagement rings have two functions--to demonstrate a man's wealth and to demonstrate that a woman is taken. Men do not wear engagement rings. They do not function as display cases for wealth or as territory that is staked out.
But women often push for these rings, which confuses the issue. Why do women want them if they are symbols of their oppression? Shit, for the same reason that women gleefully embrace the white wedding dress, which traditionally advertises their sexual status. The pressure to conform generally outweighs the considerations of dignity. I was engaged to be married once. I was given a ring, and I enjoyed wearing it. It was stylish and cool, and my friends cooed over me and my good fortune to be getting married. I was in love and of course I saw the ring as a symbol of that, so it wasn't something that I questioned. Being a lower-status female, it was easy to fall into the trap of feeling like I'm something special because a man has laid claim to me. And soon he would even consent to wearing a ring of his own!
But it bugged all the same. Men and women both would demand my left hand to look at it, while my boyfriend would stand there looking proud of himself. He meant well, but I felt like he was....getting away with something.
Sara in the comments of feministing says:
How can we, as feminists, lessen the pressure on the men in our lives? Not just boyfriends and husbands, but brothers, friends, and sons? I'm very interested to see if any of you have any ideas.
A simple answer will suffice: Don't buy into the rings. Since they usually symbolize female oppression, it's obvious that men will look to women for signals on their acceptability. If an unsure man turns to a feminist girlfriend and she's eager for a ring, then of course he will trust her opinion.
Not to say that it's entirely the responsibility of women to rid ourselves of this problem. But on a personal level, it's not foolish to expect that some education might be necessary. There's a lot of reasons to be hostile about engagement rings. Just let that pressure go.
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Eric, the part you're skipping is that the demonstration is not simply of disposable income. It's the *man's* demonstration of his financial prowess, and his ability and interest in providing financial support to his female partner. Note that there is no tradition of women demonstrating *their* vast disposable income by giving jewelry to their men.
The sexual-exchange subtext is also not very, well, subtle. There's a reason it has traditionally been considered inappropriate to give jewelry to a woman other than your fianceé or wife.
12/06/2004
"Had to"? Or what? Did she force you into the jeweler's at gunpoint?
Again, it's not an issue of your wife being frugal or your preference being a TV. It's that engagement rings are a tradition whereby a man demonstrates he can lavish money on his future wife, and she gains status thereby. (Don't think for a minute that women do not compete with each other as to who has the most expensive "rock.)
Interestingly, there is not the same ostentation or display (for the most part) in WEDDING rings. A plain gold band is considered perfectly reasonable. You generally do not see married women competing to see who has the most expensive filigree or the most prestigious jeweler for her band.
12/07/2004
I think there's an important distinction between sexual oppression and race or class oppression expressed via sex. It would of course be a mistake to suggest that men are not oppressed, because clearly they are, but to say that men are oppressed by women because they are men is quite another matter.
Engagement rings are about class (or property), yes, but they are also about gender; a man visibly marks his income and his "claim" on a woman's body without being so marked himself. This is the broad cultural norm, and honestly, I'm not buying the "constant flux" argument. It seems obfuscatory to me. It's true that a ring doesn't mean exactly the same thing to every person who has one — but neither does anything. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the most common manifestations of the tradition.
Oppressors very rarely recognize their behaviour as oppressive. That doesn't mean it isn't.
12/07/2004
Lawrence, you know that I consistently talk about how men are hurt by taking on their own roles, even though a loto the hurt is a by-product of constraints put on them to ensure their own dominance. It's safe to say, though, that when men oppress others through sexual displays of dominance, women are often even more victimized.
The thing that jumps out at me in your examples, lawrence, is that they all spring out of the Christian view of marriage, which Paul explains pretty clearly--women submit to their husbands like men submit to the the Lord, and in return husbands are to love their wives as the Lord loves them.
Men have oppressed each other with sexual humiliations all through history, and in most, if not all cases, the humiliation involves outright calling the humiliated man a female or at least implying that he's emasculated. What's interesting to me is that in the course of these humiliations, sometimes women get even more victimized as a side effect. For instance, feudal landowners would rape the wives of their serfs to demonstrate that they are bigger, more manly men than their serfs. That is no doubt humiliating and upsetting for the serf, but it's his wife who is getting raped there. Ford's inspections of his workers homes are a variation on that theme--Ford's way of saying that he is better adept and keeping the wives of his employees in line by inspecting their abilities to keep house properly.
The intersections of class and sex are interesting, and the engagement ring brings up a lot of issues. The women who demand super-expensive rings are both accepting second-class status and negotiating a way to be at the top of their class. In other words, she may not be as good as a man, but she's the best of the women, since she can bag more expensive gifts than other women. If cars had feelings, Ferraris would probably feel superior to Toyotas, even though they are all just cars, you know.
12/07/2004
My betrothed has been a feminist for many years; Woman's Studies major in college and now is a post-parnum nurse. Did she want a ring? Hell yes, and she wanted to be asked "properly". She knew it was sexist, I knew it was sexist, but she wanted the ring. I think it is a ridiculous waste of money, especially when we are saving for the most expensive party we will ever throw. She makes more money than I do. And what did I get? Nothing. (Actually she offered, but to spend even more money just seemed stupid.) If I had my choice, I'd have saved that money and used it to improve our house. Instead, I spent a little over a month's salary, so my betrothed would have a pretty ring with real stones.
I think a more honest expression of my love for her was building a fence so she could bring her dog over. This was before she moved in with me. I'm not a dog person, but they were a package deal. Can't show off a fence to all her friends though.
12/07/2004
I think that any language casting mutual responsibility and obligations, freely chosen and equally shared, as "happy oppression" has a hell of a long way to go.
Don't certain traditions oppress all who obey them?To the same degree, Lawrence? I don't think so.
12/08/2004
If the meaning of engagement rings is not in constant flux, then why are we having this conversation?
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I don't understand this. At all. Perhaps we have different understandings of the phrase "constant flux." To me, your saying that the meaning of an engagement ring is in "constant flux" is akin to saying that it has NO accepted meaning, therefore that discussing the symbolism of the ring is pointless.
But the symbolism is not in constant flux. The tradition is overwhelmingly that a man buys it for a woman to wear and by wearing it she indicates to anyone who cares to look that she is "spoken for" (interesting phrase) before the wedding actually occurs, while he wears no such symbol (and thus displays nothing about his own sexual availability or lack thereof) until after the wedding. The meaning of that is not in "constant flux." I cannot reasonably take that to mean that she is showing off HER earning power, or showing how much she likes to skydive, or whatever. There is a range of reasonable interpretations here, but it's pretty darn small.
Our only motivation is the craving for the ability to assign meaning to this important cultural symbol which, whether we love it or hate, has an influence on our lives.Yes, but that's not what "in constant flux" means. If you mean "constantly debated" or "under constant discussion," fine, but even that comes pretty close to saying "eh, it's all relative, so you have no right to complain."
12/08/2004
Lawrence, the meaning we attach to symbols sometimes is frustratingly hard to change, which is why sometimes it's better to toss the symbol on its ass.
However, I agree with you completely that meaning is never set in stone--hell the meaning of a word changes in the context of the sentence: "My cat looked so cute playing with a string." vs. "The lion is the largest cat." And the same is true of symbols--look how swiftly we managed to change the meaning of the wedding ring, as I point out in the post.
Still, the general meaning of a symbol, instead of the private meaning, is still going to be up for consensus. Anyone person can claim that the woman only got the engagement ring but that means nothing, but no one else has to believe him/her.
12/10/2004
Some men (admittedly, perhaps, not that many) do indeed wear engagement rings: me, for example.
12/15/2004
What strikes me in reading the various comments here (as well as the somewhat less genial “discourse” in the discussion on feministing) is how frequently people utilize historical allusion, personal anecdotes and ,most distressingly of all, personal value of “tradition,” to obfuscate or avoid a somewhat obvious point: that this particular tradition – the exchange of a (significant amount ) a man’s money for a piece of jewelry which publicly marks a woman as “his” – is anti-feminist. It is as clearly so as unequal wages or laws which deny a woman’s ability to protect her body. Is the obvious binaryism of male-as-provider and female-as-object-of-sexual-objectification even subtle here? Why are so many thoughtful, intelligent women willing to rationalize a practice which, in the interest of equality and fairness, should clearly be left behind?
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Why are so many thoughtful, intelligent women willing to rationalize a practice which, in the interest of equality and fairness, should clearly be left behind?
Because when my boyfriend proposed to me, he had a ring. He knew I didn't require one. He knew I didn't want a diamond (which it wasn't). But he wanted to do something special to mark a special occasion. He thought about whether to do nothing (which my father did for my mother) or to buy some other form of jewelry (which my brother did for his now wife) or to buy me a ring. He decided to go for the ring. I totally didn't expect it. I was totally shocked, and you know, it was a great surprise. Considering the total lack of surprise in engagements for most people (since they expect just what happens -- or even picked out the ring themselves!), I felt lucky. He really got me!
I didn't ask him whether it represented years of female oppression. I was sure it represented a sentiment of love. It probably didn't cost two months salary. (I certainly hope it didn't.)
I'm not sure if we're going to buy wedding rings. I always wanted a wedding ring, because I liked the idea of a physical reminder of a commitment that I made. I liked the symbolism of a circle. Now that I have an engagement ring, I feel that I have those things, and maybe I don't need anything else.
The way I see it, we didn't support the diamond industry, and we're making up the rules as we go along. My style of feminism allows me to consider my life choices as they come up. Maybe I didn't really choose the ring. But I'm certainly not going to think ill of it. I know what the ring means to my partner, and that sets the tone for what it means to me.
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