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Saturday, December 04, 2004

Sex and the college girl

I've been trying to ignore Tom Wolfe's newest paranoid screed. I really have. But it's just increasing the number of paranoid articles about the "hooking up" culture on college campuses. Through Roy Edroso, here is an NRO review of the book that explicitly draws this line to the reviewer's (John Derbyshire) own desire to control his daughter's sex life after she becomes a legal adult.

One thing I very particularly wanted to know, as father of a bright, pretty, almost-12-year-old girl, is: How true is Wolfe's portrait of elite-campus life? Are modern college campuses really such riots of drunkenness and affectless sexual "hooking up"?

The thing I find interesting about this obsession with the sex lives of young women is that lately the paranoid screeds about "hooking up" culture are always focused on the sex lives of college students. Even though Derbyshire gives perfunctory attention to the fact that the more dedicated a girl is to her studies, the more likely she will put off sex to a later age, there is no indication that he understands that young women who don't go to college also have sex outside of marriage. (I'm not even going into how he bemoans that his daughter is likely to have sex in college and then pities his college-age male friend who can't get laid because he's a right-winger.)

Why all the attention to the sex lives of college girls and not to girls who don't go to college? My guess is that the paranoia about "hooking up" is really just the modern manifestation of the ancient belief that education ruins women. People can't just come out and say that educated, intelligent women are unmarriageable, but they can say that they fear that college enviroments lead women to slutty behavior, the implication being that they are now unmarriageable.

50 Comments:

Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

At this point, I think the word "elite" is just peppered throughout National Review with very little regard to what noun it's actually modifying.

12/04/2004

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

I suppose that a comment like that means I've reached some sort of tipping point where I'm pulling in readers who have no idea what this blog is about.

12/04/2004

 
Blogger mythago said...

Um, Tres, please note that the quoted author is not asking "Are the stories about date rape and roofies true?" He's not capable of thinking that his daughter might WANT to 'hook up,' that she might enjoy it every bit as much as a son. (How many fathers of sons fret over Tom Wolfe books? Yeah, thought so.)

He's of that mindset that sex is something done TO women--probably his own view of them as a young, college-age man, if he hasn't grown out of it--and so he can only see his daughter's sex life as a means by which men treat her as a commodity.

12/04/2004

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enjoyed "Bonfire of the Vanities" and "A Man in Full" in a guilty-pleasure, comic-booky sort of way. But Wolfe's latest is just pathetic. Perhaps his next book should be set in a retirement community........

12/04/2004

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quote:
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He's of that mindset that sex is something done TO women--probably his own view of them as a young, college-age man, if he hasn't grown out of it--and so he can only see his daughter's sex life as a means by which men treat her as a commodity.
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this is a very widespread belief...
that when a guy and a girl have sex, the guy "wins" and the girl "loses".
and it is created by women as much as by men
women expect to be "compensated" for sex, they view it like a "favour" that they are doing to their guy.
and also parents are indeed more protective of daughters, they are considered more "fragile" and "precious".
so we have here a cultural meme which is basically prejudice against men.

feminists take any issue and twist it to make women the "victim".
this is because instead of analyzing things logically, they already come with a preconceived belief that women are "oppressed", and no matter what happens, it must hurt women somehow !
i wonder when this mindset is going to fade away...

12/05/2004

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

Anon, women were viewed as disliking sex and only exchanging sex for money long, long, long, LONG before feminism ever existed. That's why they call it the world's oldest profession, my dear boy. If you want a woman to want sex with you for its own sake instead of looking to see what she can get out of you, then feminism is your very best friend. But first you have to grow up and realize that it's a social critique, not a bunch of bitching about men.

12/05/2004

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, notice how Anon's comment only makes sense if Derb's a feminist. Which is amusing.

I also like how Derb's review applauds Wolf for being so *honest* and *bold* when in fact Wolf is being cliched and boring -- naming his black basketball players funny names and giving his poor characters from the country bad grammar and clumsy table manners, not to mention mocking that Jew. This is honest? This is bold, insightful writing? Please. The freshmen in my Imaginative Writing class do exactly the same things -- well, except for the Jew, of course. They do draw the line somewhere.

Delagar

12/05/2004

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"women expect to be "compensated" for sex, they view it like a "favour" that they are doing to their guy."

Great way to start out - by claiming that all women are, essentially, prostitutes.

I'd like to see you substantiate that claim, by the way. Have you spoken to every woman out there? I'm holding my breath, I really am.

"so we have here a cultural meme which is basically prejudice against men."

Um, excuse me, how? We punish young women for having sex; we don't punish young men. Unless you're going to argue that sex itself is inherently damaging, I don't see how you can turn this into "waaaa, look at all the oppressed men."

12/05/2004

 
Blogger Amanda Marcotte said...

I guess if all women are whores, then all men are johns. That's the anti-male sentiment lurking in there. Clearly, women need to be punished for turning all men into pathetic johns who have to pay for sex.

12/05/2004

 
Blogger mythago said...

feminists take any issue and twist it to make women the "victim".Dammit, I *just* got my irony detector fixed!

12/05/2004

 
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