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I you don't think women are funny, it's probably because you're the butt of the joke

Sorry, Matt. But it's true. It's sad watching not really funny writers grasp at straws, trying to assert that the secret to the funny is in the penis. (Well, you could make a case for it, but probably not a case that many men would find properly flattering.) It's interesting me that the argument that we can tell women are less talented because there are less women at the top, something that usually offends liberal men who think of themselves as feminist, becomes suddenly acceptable when it's a way of implying that every man has got a leg up on the broads. And that's why your girlfriend laughs at all your jokes, even the ones that don't make her eyes crinkle up like as if she were really laughing. As much as it pains me to tell you, but comedy, like all other prestigious careers, is dominated by men because it's an old-fashioned boys' club.

(I just watched a disc of season 4 of "Mr. Show" and they had a hilarious sketch about an actual boys' club that admitted girls but wouldn't let them participate in activities. It's hard to explain, but it's funny. Even though the skit was written by men.)

Women have more obstacles getting into comedy than men, and the biggest obstacle is men like Matt who think women aren't funny. Vicious cycle and all that. If in their personal lives, these men think women aren't as funny, well, I hate to say it, but it's time for a personal inventory, guys.

If you are going to argue that women aren't funny because you don't know that many funny women, make sure that you aren't the guy who tenses up when he hears women laughing at a joke he didn't hear because he just knows they are laughing at him. And make sure you're the guy who actually listens to women when they make jokes. Oh yeah, and don't forget that just because the guys get more laughs than the gals, this is usually because the gals are remembering their training and laughing in girlish appreciation at everything the guys say, whether they think it's funny or not. And of course, don't eliminate jokes because they are about things that women know more about than men. Just because only women laugh at the joke doesn't mean it's not funny, you know.

After all that, it will still seem that women are less funny than men, because women usually talk less than men. In between squeals and giggles of appreciation at the extraordinary wit that emanates out of every penis on the planet, we women often don't have much time to make up our own jokes.

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Blogger Roxanne said...

Dear God. What a dolt.

2/06/2005

 
Blogger Roxanne said...

Matt, I mean.

2/06/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, another set of pointless questions that have little to do with gender. Great

-didier-

2/06/2005

 
Blogger North said...

This reminds me very strongly of my high school days, when at least one lefty activist dude specifically said he didn't like me because I had no sense of humor. And by "has no sense of humor" he meant "is a feminist."

I know I'm funny now, though, because boys pick up my jokes and repeat them.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Amerikat said...

Don't forget, women suck at basketball as well. Which has nothing to do with the fact that female basketball players were considered a humourous spectacle until the WNBA was formed in 1997. They still aren't allowed to play against the boys - and before anyone brings up height, Mugsy Bogues is proof that you don't have to be tall to play.

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Blogger Norbizness said...

AMerikat: Let's not get carried away. The average height of a center playing in the WNBA about the average height of a point guard in the NBA. Lisa Leslie, one of the taller centers, is 6'5", weighs 170 pounds, and was the first woman to dunk the ball in competition after five years of WNBA existence. Maybe a woman could make it as a point guard. I'm not against someone trying.

Amanda: I just checked, and all of Mr. Show's 15 credited writers were men. I'll be damned. And you may me able to convince me that the sexes are equally talented in comedy, but we guys have the genetic leg-up in self-delusion (i.e. thinking we're funny), and all that giggling isn't helping.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Trish said...

On top of not thinking women can be funny, Matt also doesn't think women are interested in politics. I almost feel sorry for him, but I don't, really. Having a degree from Harvard sure means little, especially considering what Harvard's president had to say about women recently.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger emjaybee said...

And that doesn't take into account "stolen" jokes that you make, everyone ignores, then a guy makes and everyone laughs! Or, when even good guy friends steal your funny lines, retell them in front of a group you're in, and don't give you credit. Man, I HATE that. So much so that I've developed many funny ways to correct them on it. And still I know some think me bitchy for it, but damn it, I want credit when it's due. Because I've come up with some really good ones over the years.

And god forbid you tell a joke the least bit funny-insulting; you get a round of "ooh!" and "hiss!" Perhaps women around Matt have stopped telling jokes to him because he's not cool enough to be able to take a joke.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger zuzu said...

You can't really compare women's basketball to men's since the focus of the game is different, at least in the US -- women focus on passing, men on getting the ball and scoring.

Lisa Leslie, by the way, has scored more points in a single game -- over 100 -- than any other player in the US, man or woman (she was in high school at the time).

Maybe the women Matt knows don't really dig frat-boy humor, so he doesn't think they're funny. Tool.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Elayne said...

Ah yes, that great Ms. Magazine cover from November '73 that Marie Severin drew... "Do you know the women's movement has no sense of humor?" "No... but hum a few bars and I'll fake it!" (Have I just dated myself? Oh, and by the way, I've had the occasion to sit next to Marie Severin at comic conventions and she is indeed both funny and delightful.)

I am pretty credentialed when it comes to both feminism and humor. I studied not only feminism in college (it was my minor) but both comedy and satire (my majors were English and linguistics), and I self-published two comedy newsletters for at least a decade each, one of them the official newsletter for the comedy troupe The Firesign Theatre. In the past 25 years I have had more discussions with people about women and comedy than Roxanne has had about women political bloggers, and that's saying something!

And you know what most of them come down to?

In general (not a hard-and-fast rule, just a general observation), men and women often find different things funny.

Big shock, huh? And because men are the default, things that they find funny are considered legitimately funny, regardless of whether they amuse women. You have to remember that everything flows from that basic premise, that what men think is funny is the arbiter.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be honest, I noticed this perception a long time ago. Not its truth, but its existence and support in popular media, and it bugged me for many reasons, though at the core my objection was one of equality: men and women should also have equality when it comes to making fools of themselves.

I agree with the argument women are not considered "funny" because they are supposed to be the nice and quiet ones, but I don't think humour styles are so much gender-defined. I don't like bodily humour, for instance, but I wouldn't extend that to all women (ask my sister, who has seen every "gross-out" comedy around), and my tastes aren't exactly the bastion of sophistication regardless.

--Another Amanda.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes yes, sure, women who have made it in the entertainment business have shown just a great an ability to make people laugh as their male counterparts, and genrally without relying on dick and fart jokes. And sure, the fact that male perrogatives have left women at a historic disadvantage, make it almost inevitable that finding work is an uphill battle. And yes, the fact that boys are encouraged to be extroverts while girls are encouraged to shut the fuck up and make babies, might also have something to do with this. But don't you think you're all missing the big picture: Women suck at growing beards and having dicks. What could be simpler than that?



Oh, and for the record, I thought Matt Y (Y? Because he's a bellend!) was a taint for his qualified support of the obvious Bullshit that was the argument for war in Iraq, loooong before I thought he was a taint for being so simple minded that he actually Said, aloud, that "Or, at least, most funny people are men..." But now I think he's a super, extra duper taint.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, much apologies for those damn typos. Also, that was, and this is, Ross.

-Ross

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Blogger Amanda said...

I have never heard anyone insulted by calling them a taint, before, Ross. I'm not sure how I feel about that insult. On one hand, it's funny since it's a joke that will go over the heads of most people you call taints. Also, the word itself is funny.

But on the other hand, the taint is such a bland, unremarkable part of the body. Just a stretch of skin with some hair on it.

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Blogger Mustang Sally said...

Nevermind how incredibly unamusing it is to make a competition out of everything - especially "who's funniest!". It's like the bullies in school who compete to see what's funnier... giving the nerds swirlees in the locker room johns or wedgies as they walk down the hall. Yeah, that's some funny ass-shit right there..

Frankly I take it as a compliment Matt & his ilk don't seem to "get" women's humor.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

A cappella was a big thing at the college I went to.

(What does this have to do with humor and gender...patience, I'll get to it....I promise).

One evening my dorm hosted an a cappella event featuring an all boy group from Middlebury, and another all boy group from Yale (or was it Harvard?), plus a group of our own. Since my alma mater is all female (and largely feminist), so was our a capella group, the dorm, and the audience.

Yale for some reason decided that singing wasn't enough: they needed to do skits (I'm not sure they deserve to be called jokes) in between some of their songs.

Women were the punchline in every "joke." After the first we gave a few fake laughs and clapped politely. The second skit got an even colder response, and the room was downright chilly after the third, which, if I remember right, ended with the (guy badly pretending to be a) woman getting shot in the face, after having been slapped around.

As I sat there wondering which genius decided against nixing the mysoginistic skits for this particular event...and how long it would take the Yalies to realized that their chances of getting laid had plummeted from decent to pretty much zero....I realized that this must be why people are always saying the feminists just can't take a joke.

Heh.

Middlebury rocked by the way. They mixed up the traditional a cappela with renditions of the backstreet boys' (or was it nsync's?) latest and it was absolutely hilarious and lots of fun.

So was watching the Yalies be mostly shunned by a roomful of young women who had been looking forward to their visit for days if not weeks.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you go back and highlight any jokes that were in this blog? Unless you actually did write about women being funny without actually being funny. How avant-garde!

You're right about women having a lot of obstacles when getting into comedy. The biggest one being that women are as funny as a broken cinderblock.

Women are not funny

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