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Monday, February 07, 2005

My favorite argument against feminism

Roxanne sent this to me, somehow knowing that my heart goes all aflutter when I read articles attempting to bring back the "race suicide" argument against feminism. The "race suicide" argument was a popular one to fling at feminists at the turn of the century; the idea was that liberated women will have less children (true) and that white women should not be liberated. This argument cannot be baldly stated anymore, so it has to buried in the argument that we are not growing the population at a good enough rate to sustain our economy. The nugget of truth that aging populations have certain social policy issues, like keeping Social Security benefits high, becomes an excuse to flaunt all sorts of anti-woman and anti-immigrant attitudes. Stanley Kurtz takes advantage of this.

Here's the first part of the argument I don't understand:

In short, the West is beginning to experience significant demographic changes, with substantial cultural consequences. Historically, the aged have made up only a small portion of society, and the rearing of children has been the chief concern. Now children will become a small minority, and society’s central problem will be caring for the elderly. Yet even this assumes that societies consisting of elderly citizens at levels of 20, 30, even 40 or more percent can sustain themselves at all. That is not obvious.

Let me get this straight. By reducing one dependent population (children), we run the grave danger of increasing the size of another dependent population (elderly)? We can't do this--the eldery are too expensive, what with their need for 20 years of expensive schooling. Whatever will we do? I guess I have no choice but to become pregnant.

Anyway, I do see the point of his argument. It is a little alarming that the number of retirees is getting so high compared to the number of workers. Kurtz's solution? Well, we need to reduce the present workforce by half and send them home to make babies.

Along with urbanization, the other important factor depressing world fertility is the movement of women into the workforce — and the technological changes that have made that movement possible. By the time many professional women have completed their educations, their prime childbearing years have passed. Thus, a woman’s educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have.

My god! I did not know a woman's prime child-bearing years ended at 25. I guess we better return to marrying women off at 13 years old again.

As Wattenberg shows, worldwide, the correlation between falling female illiteracy and falling female fertility is nearly exact.

Holy shit, I guess it is true that reading shrivels your ovaries. And here I was taking the pill all that time.

Before fertility could be reliably controlled through medical technology, marriage and accompanying strictures against out-of-wedlock births were the key check on a society’s birth rate. Economic decline meant delayed marriage, and thus lower fertility. But contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage. This turns motherhood into a choice.

Is it me or is he holding the word "choice" out between his forefingers as if it were a turd? Clearly when women are given a choice, they will never make the correct one of wearing out their bodies through child-bearing, so Kurtz will just have to make it for us.

Okay, so we need more workers to sustain our economy. And despite Kurtz's brillant hopes that educated women will quit their jobs to have children, since that will help fill Social Security's coffers of course as housewives get paid enormous salaries, what are we to do? Yes, I know. I thought of immigration, too. But see, that doesn't help guilt-trip white women about race suicide and so must be dismissed out-of-hand.

Even in the short or medium term, the aging imbalance cannot be rectified except through a level of immigration far above what Western countries would find politically acceptable. Alarmed by the problems of immigration and assimilation, even famously tolerant Holland has begun to turn away immigrants en masse — and this before the recent murder of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, which has subsequently forced the questions of immigration and demography to the center of the Dutch political stage.

Okay then, it's settled. Make more babies, ladies, or the Muslims will murder you. There's "choice" for you.

Longman argues that economic growth itself depends upon ever-increasing numbers of consumers and workers.

Population growth, he argues, drove the Industrial Revolution, and there has never been economic growth under conditions of population decline. Thus, for example, he ascribes Japan’s current economic troubles to its declining fertility. And though Longman doesn’t point to Germany, it us interesting to note that this particular low-fertility country is also struggling economically to the point of revisiting the famously shorter European work week — a phenomenon obviously related to the struggle to reduce the pensions promised to an aging population and premissed on more younger workers than actually came to exist.

Huh. Neither of them mentions China, which has had negative population growth for awhile now, but has an economy that's expanding so quickly that it's making most economists' head spin. But of course, that sort of thinking on my part is just rotting my ovaries, so I better just quietly accept that China doesn't have an economy and that's why we don't mention them.

Anyway, the main thing we need to remember is that a huge dependent population of children makes the economy tick (especially if we could roll back child labor laws, I'm sure), and a huge dependent population of retirees destroys the economy. Why? Well, it turns out that those elderly people living on pensions have this sense of entitlement, that they deserve a standard of living they've worked hard for all their lives.

Already, senior citizens vote at very high rates — reacting sharply to any potential cuts in benefits. As the baby boomers retire, the political weight of senior citizens will be vastly greater than it already is. Proposed pension reforms brought down French and Italian governments in the 1990s. Even China has been forced by large-scale protests and riots to back off from attempts to reduce retirement benefits.

The nice thing about children is you can maintain them at starvation levels with nary a peep, since children don't vote. Much, much cheaper. Don't forget, the model we're admiring is the Industrial Revolution. I do agree that high fertility could return us to that wonderful time, when the poor were pumping out babies and having to farm them out to work at younger and younger ages while the rich had more money than god. The best part is that if we can get back to that place and time, we won't have to worry about retirement for working people at all anymore, because that just wasn't done then.

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Blogger FoolishOwl said...

Bill Gates probably has enough spare change in his sofa to pay for a few hundred people to retire.

I'd grown pretty sick of arguing against the overpopulation panic folks. But on the other hand, I can't really see arguing we need higher rates of population growth. Isn't six billion people enough? If we gradually declined to five billion, might that not be a good thing?

The declining population growth argument sounds like the other side of the coin of the accerating population growth argument: too many brown people, not enough white people. Seriously, it's disturbing to see eugenics making a comeback. I am getting *seriously* worried that there's a regrowth of genuine fascism going on underneath our noses, given how much fascist ideology is reappearing.

2/07/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a little puzzled by this "not enough workers" notion, since I've grown up being told that there is a job shortage (or at least a shortage of jobs paying more than poverty-level wages, and I don't imagine your average $7-an-hour Wal-Mart clerk pays that much into Social Security).

I don't understand how those two things can coexist. (Workers have the wrong skill sets? Workers live in the wrong places? Information asymmetry, à la Nickel and Dimed?) I'm not an economist at all, though, so perhaps there's no contradiction.

-kja

2/07/2005

 
Blogger La Lubu said...

Funny, nowhere in the article did it mention that sperm production rates have fallen significantly worldwide since after WWII.

I find the whole thing ridiculuous. He even had the temerity to mention falling birthrates in Japan and Italy, two countries that these white eugenic fuckers would have been overjoyed to celebrate falling birthrates in, say, seventy-five years ago.

Nevermind. The argument ten years from now is going to be "aren't those elderly people dead yet?!" When they realize that folks are just not going to be kicking out kids that they can't possibly support, the focus is going to be on how to get the old folks to kick the bucket sooner, rather than later.

Oh, and you know what else is interesting about the "race suicide" thing? All those non-white kids that white women are having. That bugs the shit out of the racist neo-eugenics movement. Again, stick around long enough, and they'll start redefining "white people" again....when my people entered this country, we were officially nonwhite. Now we're white. Go figure. Did we change? Nope. Just got redefined, that's all.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Aunt B said...

I'm no economist either and math isn't my strong suit, but if we're running out of workers with women working, how does reducing the number of working adults by almost half help the problem?

If there is a labor shortage now and baby boomers are starting to retire now and I quit my job now and start trying to have babies now, it's still going to be 18 years before my offspring is old enough to join the workforce (assuming he's male). How does that help?

2/07/2005

 
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2/07/2005

 
Blogger Sally said...

"when my people entered this country, we were officially nonwhite. Now we're white."

Not to be a pedant (oh, fuck it. I'm always a pedant. Sorry), but this probably isn't true. Maybe if your ancestors were from the Middle East. But for the most part, if you're considered white now, your ancestors were always *officially* white. And since "white" was a legal category that profoundly affected your ability to become a naturalized citizen, that mattered. What's changed is *unofficial* conceptions of race.

Ok. Sorry. /Pedant.

One thing I think is interesting about the stupid pro-natalist stuff is that they seem to take it for granted that senior citizens will be dependent. And that's silly. It's true that the over-65 population is growing, but it's also true that growing numbers of people continue to be healthy and to want to work after they're 65. They seem to think that we need to be breeding fast so there will be lots of freshly-minted workers who will be able to take care of baby boomers in twenty years. But plenty of baby boomers will still be taking care of themselves.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Pseudo-Adrienne said...

The "race suicide" argument was a popular one to fling at feminists at the turn of the century; the idea was that liberated women will have less children (true) and that white women should not be liberated.Yes, because mud-women like me (half-Black/half-White) who have liberated themselves through feminism won't breed, so white women should take this as an opportunity beat us in the "race race".

Holy shit, I guess it is true that reading shrivels your ovaries.Yeah. This means that my ovaries must be the size of raisins by now because I'm an Honor Student, and I'm only nineteen!!! That's good news for these antifeminist, racist eugenicists.

But contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage. This turns motherhood into a choice.Oh right. I forgot that motherhood should be a natural occurance in EVERY woman's life. It has been biologically determined that every woman should have children because after all we do have uteruses and ovaries, so why not put them to good use?! What a jackass.

Yes, I know. I thought of immigration, too. But see, that doesn't help guilt-trip white women about race suicide and so must be dismissed out-of-hand.Well good. I hope that white women and all women are NOT guilt tripped by this dipshit's racist antifeminism. He sounds beyond paranoid and hysterical, compounded with his blatant racist eugenicism and antifeminist views. What a dipshit. Just a racist trying to blame feminism for his personal issues.

2/07/2005

 
Blogger Fred Vincy said...

Excellent catch, Amanda (and Roxanne).

This guy is really creepy: It Gets WorseAnd there was a lot more still to rebut -- there's just so much nonsense in one column....

2/07/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to take a moment here to ponder how having *two* large dependent populations is better than having one. Or does someone kick the bucket every time a child is born?

When I was little, we used to go to the Bronx Zoo. And at that time, there was in one location a counter that represented the number of people on the globe, changing according to population growth estimates. I used to stand there watching the numbers climb steadily upwards, wondering how it could be that it never went down even by one. Didn't anyone ever die? If I looked around, would I see the zoo get more and more crowded as the numbers rose? (Such is the mind of a 5 year old.) What in the world is wrong with zero population growth, honestly?

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Blogger Brad Warbiany said...

Very odd.

First, you create a government program highly susceptible to demographic changes. Then, the demographics start to change in a way that jeopardizes the government program.

Instead of blaming government, you blame demographics? And instead of changing the thing that should be changed, you want to force more people to meet your "demographic" goals?

Astounding.

I can't tell if Kurtz is a liberal or a conservative. But I'm pretty sure he's a moron.

2/07/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a link to this was posted in the livejournal community ljforchoice, which is how i ended up here... alright, i don't understand this:
"Historically, the aged have made up only a small portion of society, and the rearing of children has been the chief concern. Now children will become a small minority, and society’s central problem will be caring for the elderly."
if people have fewer children, there will be fewer elderly in the future?? what is the problem?

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Blogger Elinor said...

Well, if the population is actually shrinking, especially when children are often solely responsible for looking after their aged parents, I can see how that would be a problem; IIRC it's an issue in China right now.

But what the pro-natalists seem to be agitated about is not a dearth of people per se — this world has plenty of people — but a potential decrease in the number of white people (or even in the percentage of population white people represent).

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Blogger lawrence krubner said...

"the other important factor depressing world fertility is the movement of women into the workforce"

I wish I had the power to edit every document on the planet, and change the phrase "women entering the workforce" to "women working for cash." After all, women have always worked. What's new is for them to leave the home and enter the system of monetary exchange.

Those conservatives who want America to remain a great military power should pause and consider where future labor growth will come from, if not from women. In 1776 only 22% of Americans worked for cash, but in 2000 68% of the adult population was working for cash. Participation in the monetary economy has increased by 2 percentage points of the population every decade except for the 1930s. Where will the next 2 percentage points come from, and 2 after that, if not from women? Most men already work.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny...yesterday on Deep Space 9, there was a big controversy with the Ferengi because the leader had made a new law that granted women the right to work..and the traditionalists were horrified until it was pointed out that 53% of the population now working meant more products sold, stronger and larger economy, and more labor to create more products/wealth.

Without our women working, the US would fall apart in a week.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Amanda

Just came over for the first time via Duncan Black by way of roy edroso

Couple of questions

Where did you get the idea that China “has had negative population growth for awhile now”? Yes, I know Chinese population figures are very suspect, but I don’t know of any expert who doesn’t think the Chinese population is still growing and especially, in the 20-49 age workers’ group.

Do you disagree with these statements?

“A woman’s educational level is the best predictor of how many children she will have.”

“Worldwide, the correlation between falling female illiteracy and falling female fertility is nearly exact.”

“Contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage”

If the aging imbalance were to be rectified through immigration, it would require “a level of immigration far above what Western countries would find politically acceptable.”

“Japan’s current economic troubles [can be ascribed] to its declining fertility.”

“As the baby boomers retire, the political weight of senior citizens will be vastly greater than it already is.”

Ellen

2/10/2005

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to take a moment here to ponder how having *two* large dependent populations is better than having one. Or does someone kick the bucket every time a child is born?
... it's even better than that: we'll make everything better by having *two* dependent populations AND a fraction of the workforce to pay the taxes...

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Blogger BadTux said...

If the aging imbalance were to be rectified through immigration, it would require “a level of immigration far above what Western countries would find politically acceptable.”Err, is this saying that most Western countries are populated by a bunch of inbred bigots?

“Japan’s current economic troubles [can be ascribed] to its declining fertility.”Is this saying that Japan is populated by a bunch of inbred bigots? Seems to me that the Phillipines, right nearby, has LOTS of folks willing to immigrate anywhere and work hard for peanuts.

It seems to me that the problem is bigotry, not birthrates. The world has no shortage of human beings.

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Blogger Rebecca Hedreen said...

Sally said...
"when my people entered this country, we were officially nonwhite. Now we're white."
Not to be a pedant (oh, fuck it. I'm always a pedant. Sorry), but this probably isn't true.
Actually it is true. "White" isn't really a legal category, for all the census checkboxes. The Irish certainly weren't "white" when they first came over. [No Irish need Apply!] See Noel Ignatiev's How the Irish Became White. Asians are becoming white according to the University of California (http://www1.law.ucla.edu/~volokh/asian.htm). It's a matter of who's the new kid on the block and who is poor. As new immigrants become part of the middle class landscape, they become white in the eyes of those already occupying that status. Blacks and Hispanics are having trouble, because we are running out of "non-white" immigrants to compare them to.

If we had poor immigrant space aliens come to our country, Blacks and Hispanics would become "white" in a heartbeat.

Some anti-feminists would like to make women the "non-whites" of the 21st century.

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Anonymous Debby said...

“Worldwide, the correlation between falling female illiteracy and falling female fertility is nearly exact.”

Falling illiteracy makes it sound like that's a bad thing. How about rising literacy being in opposition to falling birth rates?

“Contraceptive technology now makes it possible to efficiently control fertility within marriage”

And outside of marriage!

“Japan’s current economic troubles [can be ascribed] to its declining fertility.”

Can be. I can also ascribe it to the volcano gods being angry.

I'm really dumbfounded that this argument is even being put forth. Talk about the backlash. I guess there's just too many people living their life the way they choose.

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